531-Ghost Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 I hope. Who is Skyjet International LLC? Not trying to stir any pot here but I know that BHTI covets any and all of their intellectual property. i.e. images, data... :joystick:
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 The lack of replies with 70 (at this point) views, speaks volumes to the "licensing agreement" with BHTI. :joystick:
QuiGon Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 Maybe you should provide some more information, because I don't really know what you're talking about. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 BHTI = Bell Helicopters. I've been working with them/NAVAIR for over 20 years. :joystick:
PeroperoDokkiri Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 I still have no idea what this topic is about. Who is Skyjet International LLC and what does it have to do with Huey module? I know what BHTI is, I know Belsimtek had to make a licence deal with them. [sIGPIC]http://i55.tinypic.com/21oydlx.jpg[/sIGPIC] ヒューイ最高！o(≧∇≦o)
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 Apparently Skyjet International LLC (per the packaging of the module) is whom the licence has been acquired through? Am I mistaken? Like I said, not trying to stir any pot, just trying to be clear. Also, like I've stated, I've worked with Bell and NAVAIR for over 20 years. Bell/BHTI is VERY protective of their intellectual property. They own all the simulator software (the real deal) for the AH and UH currently in the inventory. Oh, and then there's this: http://www.bellhelicopter.com/legal/copyright-notice :joystick:
Flagrum Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 You are really speaking in riddles... and what has the website copyright notice to do with anything, btw?
agentdarnell Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Skyjet international looks to be a SIM arcade helicopter company. They have the game C.H.A.O.S. http://chaos-game.com/en/about_game/general_information/ Edited June 3, 2016 by agentdarnell [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 Speaking in riddles? Copyright as in © as in Bell as in, intellectual property OF Bell/BHTI, NOT Skyjet International LLC. How does one get a licence through one company that clearly does not represent BHTI? :joystick:
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 Skyjet international looks to be a SIM arcade helicopter company. They have the game C.H.A.O.S. http://chaos-game.com/en/about_game/general_information/ Agreed, not hard to Google, and I did before I asked the question which led me to more questions and scratching my head saying to myself, hmmmmm :joystick:
agentdarnell Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Common sense tells us we don't know half the story and they have a legal team and acquired all the propped licensing required. Eagle dynamics is not new at this and would not allow a third party to cause litigation due to improper licences. "Theirs not to reason why, Theirs just to do and die." Lets just enjoy the module and not over think it. Edited June 3, 2016 by agentdarnell [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Norsegunar Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 I think what Ghost is getting at Flagrum is that he is questioning the legality of the license of the Bell's IP for the UH-1 because the way BST has stated the copyright info (see below) it sounds like it's from a 3rd party company that Ghost has never heard of and not directly from Bell/Textron. In the manual in the table of contents page, there is a statement of: "Bell, UH-1H Huey, emblems, logos, and body designs are trademarks of Textron Innovations Inc. and are used under license by Sky Jet International LLC (copyright symbol)" From what I can find on the net, Skyjet International is a arcade simulator company that does arcade and mobile games and is from Belarus. Founder is Vasily Veka and Alexander Veka. They also founded Altwolf software development. Belsimtek is also from Belarus. So my guess is BST knows them and sub-licensing the IP from Skyjet or BST, Skyjet and Altwolf are all the same people. BST's page has no info about who the owners are. Specs: It's a computer...it runs DCS.... Audentes Fortuna Juvat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 I think what Ghost is getting at Flagrum is that he is questioning the legality of the license of the Bell's IP for the UH-1 because the way BST has stated the copyright info (see below) it sounds like it's from a 3rd party company that Ghost has never heard of and not directly from Bell/Textron. In the manual in the table of contents page, there is a statement of: "Bell, UH-1H Huey, emblems, logos, and body designs are trademarks of Textron Innovations Inc. and are used under license by Sky Jet International LLC (copyright symbol)" From what I can find on the net, Skyjet International is a arcade simulator company that does arcade and mobile games and is from Belarus. Founder is Vasily Veka and Alexander Veka. They also founded Altwolf software development. Belsimtek is also from Belarus. So my guess is BST knows them and sub-licensing the IP from Skyjet or BST, Skyjet and Altwolf are all the same people. BST's page has no info about who the owners are. DING DING DING! Thank you! So, again I ask: How does one get a licence through one company that clearly does not represent BHTI? :joystick:
agentdarnell Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 Textron owns bell as well as other aircraft companies. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 Common sense tells us we don't know half the story and they have a legal team and acquired all the propped licensing required. Eagle dynamics is not new at this and would not allow a third party to cause litigation due to improper licences. "Ours is not to reason why, Ours is but to do or die." Lets just enjoy the module and not over think it. Fixed :thumbup: :joystick:
Norsegunar Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 DING DING DING! Thank you! So, again I ask: How does one get a licence through one company that clearly does not represent BHTI? It depends on the licencing agreement between Skyjet and BHTI then the agreement between Skyjet and BST. But since we are not privy to those agreements and like another poster stated that ED would not allow a 3rd party publisher to publish a module in DCS without the proper agreements, that the agreements are on the legal side of copyright law. Specs: It's a computer...it runs DCS.... Audentes Fortuna Juvat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 Textron owns bell as well as other aircraft companies. Yes, I know. I'm in the business ;) Bell Helicopter, Cessna Aircraft, Beechcraft :joystick:
agentdarnell Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 Fixed :thumbup: Original text of Charge of the Light Brigade has Thiers [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
agentdarnell Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 Yes, I know. I'm in the business ;) Bell Helicopter, Cessna Aircraft, Beechcraft Lol well I am guessing belsimtek an the other company are the same or sister companies and acquired the licence properly. Well lets hope they did. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
531-Ghost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 It depends on the licencing agreement between Skyjet and BHTI then the agreement between Skyjet and BST. But since we are not privy to those agreements and like another poster stated that ED would not allow a 3rd party publisher to publish a module in DCS without the proper agreements, that the agreements are on the legal side of copyright law. Thanks, again. Gents believe it or not, this isn't my first rodeo. I actually get to work with (read play with) the UH1Y, AH1W, AH1Z and MH60S, in the real world. I played with the AH and UH at MCAS CPEN for 20 years. Now I get to play with the MH60S. I did contact BHTI on an unrelated project I was considering. BHTI wanted mucho dinero for any data they would have to provide as well permission to use any Bell related copyrighted material. I have the material I'd need to pull off the project IF PMA 276 were to grant me authorization to use (for personal use) the material I have available to me. :joystick:
531-Ghost Posted June 4, 2016 Author Posted June 4, 2016 Original text of Charge of the Light Brigade has Thiers I stand corrected Sir. :doh: :joystick:
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