FlightControl Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) Hello, Are there any airbase controllers out there? We (= Moose community) is building an AIRBASEPOLICE class using the MOOSE framework base classes). A few questions: 1. Is there a maximum speed allowed for military aircraft to taxi on a taxiway? What would be the maximum speed in km/h allowed by pilots? 2. What is the procedure if pilots are speeding? They get a warning? 3. When taking off, on the runway, is there a position system how planes take off (most of the time the runway is split in two parts (left and right). What are the rules for the leader, and what for the wingmen? 4. What is the minimum distance that pilots need to respect to other planes? Is there any rule? thanks in advance for your feedback, Sven Edited June 11, 2016 by FlightControl [TABLE][sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]| Join MOOSE community on: DISCORD :thumbup: Website of the MOOSE LUA Framework. MOOSE framework Downloads. Check out Example Missions to try out and learn. MOOSE YouTube Channel for live demonstrations and tutorials. [/TABLE]
Eddie Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 1. Is there a maximum speed allowed for military aircraft to taxi on a taxiway? What would be the maximum speed in km/h allowed by pilots? Varies for each aircraft type. Generally somewhere in the 20 - 30 knot region 2. What is the procedure if pilots are speeding? They get a warning? Who's going to know, other than the pilot themselves? Like everything else, it's something that pilots themselves monitor. 3. When taking off, on the runway, is there a position system how planes take off (most of the time the runway is split in two parts (left and right). What are the rules for the leader, and what for the wingmen? Varies for each aircraft type and operator nation. Often lead will position on the downwind side for a flight lineup, otherwise for single aircraft it'd be centreline. 4. What is the minimum distance that pilots need to respect to other planes? Is there any rule? Varies for each aircraft type and operator nation, and by time of day etc. Althought generally in the 150-500 feet region.
FlightControl Posted June 11, 2016 Author Posted June 11, 2016 Cool! Thanks for the help! I see you are from the 476th fighter group. Still enjoing the MISSILETRAINER ???? hehe. Maybe you don't know, but you are right now helping to design another fancy class in the MOOSE framework ... (That you and others can use). Sven [TABLE][sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]| Join MOOSE community on: DISCORD :thumbup: Website of the MOOSE LUA Framework. MOOSE framework Downloads. Check out Example Missions to try out and learn. MOOSE YouTube Channel for live demonstrations and tutorials. [/TABLE]
Eddie Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 Still enjoing the MISSILETRAINER ???? hehe. Oh yes, it's proving quite useful. Maybe you don't know, but you are right now helping to design another fancy class in the MOOSE framework ... (That you and others can use). Sven Always happy to help.
mvsgas Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 Hello, Are there any airbase controllers out there? We (= Moose community) is building an AIRBASEPOLICE class using the MOOSE framework base classes). A few questions: 1. Is there a maximum speed allowed for military aircraft to taxi on a taxiway? What would be the maximum speed in km/h allowed by pilots? 2. What is the procedure if pilots are speeding? They get a warning? 3. When taking off, on the runway, is there a position system how planes take off (most of the time the runway is split in two parts (left and right). What are the rules for the leader, and what for the wingmen? 4. What is the minimum distance that pilots need to respect to other planes? Is there any rule? thanks in advance for your feedback, Sven You might be able to find more information for the USAF here http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/ Look for the 11- series AF instructions, like: 11-218 AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS AND MOVEMENT ON THE GROUND 11-203v3 GENERAL FLIGHT RULES Hope this helps To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Shahdoh Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) Not totally based on reality, but we have been using a taxi speed script on the VA server for a while now. Its main intention was just to stop taxiway/ramp take offs. We have the warning kick in at 35knots and then we remove them(move to spectator) if they go over 50. We tried higher, but was allowing some in the props to take off anyways. We get some complaints its to slow (even though a 40-45 knot taxi is pretty quick) but it does indeed serve the purpose of stopping the annoying taxiway/ramp takeoffs. Edited June 11, 2016 by Shahdoh
FlightControl Posted June 11, 2016 Author Posted June 11, 2016 You might be able to find more information for the USAF here http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/ Look for the 11- series AF instructions, like: 11-218 AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS AND MOVEMENT ON THE GROUND 11-203v3 GENERAL FLIGHT RULES Hope this helps Cool! Sent from mTalk on Windows 10 mobile [TABLE][sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]| Join MOOSE community on: DISCORD :thumbup: Website of the MOOSE LUA Framework. MOOSE framework Downloads. Check out Example Missions to try out and learn. MOOSE YouTube Channel for live demonstrations and tutorials. [/TABLE]
FlightControl Posted June 11, 2016 Author Posted June 11, 2016 Not totally based on reality, but we have been using a taxi speed script on the VA server for a while now. Its main intention was just to stop taxiway/ramp take offs. We have the warning kick in at 35knots and then we remove them(move to spectator) if they go over 50. We tried higher, but was allowing some in the props to take off anyways. We get some complaints its to slow (even though a 40-45 knot taxi is pretty quick) but it does indeed server the purpose of stopping the annoying taxiway/ramp takeoffs. Hi shadoh, nice there is already a script. Just got a working version which does almost exactly the same thing... The thing is, this one will be part of a larger framework, integrated with scoring and messaging etc... Dashboard... And it is fun to make it. Sven Sent from mTalk on Windows 10 mobile [TABLE][sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]| Join MOOSE community on: DISCORD :thumbup: Website of the MOOSE LUA Framework. MOOSE framework Downloads. Check out Example Missions to try out and learn. MOOSE YouTube Channel for live demonstrations and tutorials. [/TABLE]
Shahdoh Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 I figured as much ;) Just letting you know what has been working well for us as far as speeeds and why.
FlightControl Posted June 11, 2016 Author Posted June 11, 2016 You might be able to find more information for the USAF here http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/ Look for the 11- series AF instructions, like: 11-218 AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS AND MOVEMENT ON THE GROUND 11-203v3 GENERAL FLIGHT RULES Hope this helps The first document is amazing! The level of details and readability! We should have in dcs marshallers guiding startup and take off ☺ . Very interesting stuff. Sent from mTalk on Windows 10 mobile [TABLE][sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]| Join MOOSE community on: DISCORD :thumbup: Website of the MOOSE LUA Framework. MOOSE framework Downloads. Check out Example Missions to try out and learn. MOOSE YouTube Channel for live demonstrations and tutorials. [/TABLE]
FlightControl Posted June 11, 2016 Author Posted June 11, 2016 I figured as much ;) Just letting you know what has been working well for us as far as speeeds and why. Thanks shahdoh, and when it is finished it will be shared with our kind regards... Sent from mTalk on Windows 10 mobile [TABLE][sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]| Join MOOSE community on: DISCORD :thumbup: Website of the MOOSE LUA Framework. MOOSE framework Downloads. Check out Example Missions to try out and learn. MOOSE YouTube Channel for live demonstrations and tutorials. [/TABLE]
Ktulu2 Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 During training pilots will get a red tick if they go above a certain engine RPM on the ground, as the instructor in the other seat will see it. I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public
Ventus_Clu Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 Hello, Are there any airbase controllers out there? We (= Moose community) is building an AIRBASEPOLICE class using the MOOSE framework base classes). A few questions: 1. Is there a maximum speed allowed for military aircraft to taxi on a taxiway? What would be the maximum speed in km/h allowed by pilots? 2. What is the procedure if pilots are speeding? They get a warning? 3. When taking off, on the runway, is there a position system how planes take off (most of the time the runway is split in two parts (left and right). What are the rules for the leader, and what for the wingmen? 4. What is the minimum distance that pilots need to respect to other planes? Is there any rule? thanks in advance for your feedback, Sven Based on my knowledge of being a military controller: 1. the expected speed guidance to pilots for taxing is "a fast walking pace" however as you can imagine this would take A/c forever to reach the runway or aprons and may go much faster than this. 2. I have seen a few A/c go pretty quick whilst taxing, and if it looks dangerous I will tel the ATC supervisor who will tell the Sqn Auth who will then take appropriate action against the pilot. However as you could guess there are times where I feel something was dangerous yet the pilot claims there was nothing dangerous about it. Normally unless I have a witness who sees it also I am usually wrong as I am not a pilot lol. 3. At my unit we have 2 runways, 1 which allows pairs takeoffs and the other which doesn't (too short). Pairs takeoffs can only be attempted if the crosswind is < 15 kts and the runway is long enough to not require full combat thrust for takeoff. For pairs takeoffs the lead aircraft will position on the downwind side of the runway so that the crosswind doesn't blow the aircraft into the wingman if there was a sudden gust. For streaming takeoffs (one after the other after the other etc etc. The minimum time a streaming aircraft will wait is 10 seconds after the one ahead begins his takeoff roll, there is no maximum time to wait. 4. In VFR flight there is no "safe" limit prescribed just as long as it's "safe" however if anyone feels it is "unsafe" they can file an airprox against you. I've seen airproxes filed against aircraft who came no closer than 3 Nm just because the pilot felt that the situation was unsafe. I hope that helps, it's all based on my knowledge/experience of UK ATC which varies hugely from other counties.
FlightControl Posted June 11, 2016 Author Posted June 11, 2016 Based on my knowledge of being a military controller: 1. the expected speed guidance to pilots for taxing is "a fast walking pace" however as you can imagine this would take A/c forever to reach the runway or aprons and may go much faster than this. 2. I have seen a few A/c go pretty quick whilst taxing, and if it looks dangerous I will tel the ATC supervisor who will tell the Sqn Auth who will then take appropriate action against the pilot. However as you could guess there are times where I feel something was dangerous yet the pilot claims there was nothing dangerous about it. Normally unless I have a witness who sees it also I am usually wrong as I am not a pilot lol. 3. At my unit we have 2 runways, 1 which allows pairs takeoffs and the other which doesn't (too short). Pairs takeoffs can only be attempted if the crosswind is < 15 kts and the runway is long enough to not require full combat thrust for takeoff. For pairs takeoffs the lead aircraft will position on the downwind side of the runway so that the crosswind doesn't blow the aircraft into the wingman if there was a sudden gust. For streaming takeoffs (one after the other after the other etc etc. The minimum time a streaming aircraft will wait is 10 seconds after the one ahead begins his takeoff roll, there is no maximum time to wait. 4. In VFR flight there is no "safe" limit prescribed just as long as it's "safe" however if anyone feels it is "unsafe" they can file an airprox against you. I've seen airproxes filed against aircraft who came no closer than 3 Nm just because the pilot felt that the situation was unsafe. I hope that helps, it's all based on my knowledge/experience of UK ATC which varies hugely from other counties. Thank you. So reading this makes me conclude that pilots in military aircraft have a lot of freedom? Sent from mTalk on Windows 10 mobile [TABLE][sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]| Join MOOSE community on: DISCORD :thumbup: Website of the MOOSE LUA Framework. MOOSE framework Downloads. Check out Example Missions to try out and learn. MOOSE YouTube Channel for live demonstrations and tutorials. [/TABLE]
Ventus_Clu Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 Thank you. So reading this makes me conclude that pilots in military aircraft have a lot of freedom? Sent from mTalk on Windows 10 mobile It's more about airspace really, the rules apply to everyone so if your in class G (uncontrolled) airspace your free to do pretty much whatever you want. The bigger problem being if you make a mistake as a military pilot you bring the Air Force into disrepute and public relations are very important so you'd be in a lot of trouble.
Bond 42 Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Hello, Are there any airbase controllers out there? We (= Moose community) is building an AIRBASEPOLICE class using the MOOSE framework base classes). A few questions: 1. Is there a maximum speed allowed for military aircraft to taxi on a taxiway? What would be the maximum speed in km/h allowed by pilots? 2. What is the procedure if pilots are speeding? They get a warning? 3. When taking off, on the runway, is there a position system how planes take off (most of the time the runway is split in two parts (left and right). What are the rules for the leader, and what for the wingmen? 4. What is the minimum distance that pilots need to respect to other planes? Is there any rule? thanks in advance for your feedback, Sven To help answer question #4. Military Ops allowed us to fly 500ft vertical separation if we accepted that from ATC, 1000ft was normal without pilots permission. Also, 1000ft vertical separation was used for unmanned aircraft as they don't always have the best control over them.. Ha. If you're flying within the states or any other ICAO country we have separation rules set by airspace as previously stated earlier. Hope that helps a little..
Recommended Posts