New SSD and DCS (how too) Questions

[BitMaster]

No problem, just get back to me when you need me.

 

Rather wait the few weeks....you will have that rig for years !

 

I had 3 RMA's from mid November 2016 till end of Jan. 2017 until my rig worked....and I survived !!!

[iVVChewy9141VVi]

Yes Bit, power supply made by Seasonic (the best), Flextronics and Super Flower (They really need to europeanise their naming scheme).

 

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page330.htm

 

 

Superflower Ledex units beat out top seasonic units but both are great

[Demon_]

==Edit==

 

The Leadex series doesn't use exclusively Japanese caps. They have few CapXon caps, but used in the low-stress area. Caps with 105 °C rating have four times the life compared with similar specification caps that have an 85 °C temperature rating. Caps tier list: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supplies-101,4193-5.html

 

Super Flower units are not available (under their name) in North America. But EVGA (T2, G2, P2, B2) uses their platforms.

 

But, you are right, Super Flower units are as good as Seasonic.

Edited March 5, 2017 by Demon_

[BitMaster]

The good ones have 10-12 year warranty meanwhile. Thats a deal maker option

 

 

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[Demon_]

Yep, you don't pay for nothing.

Power supplies are the same as the SSDs. Samsung 850 for 5 years or 850 pro for 10 years.

Edited March 5, 2017 by Demon_

[Andy1966]

wow thank you all for all the replies,

all my questions have been answerd and this turned into an informative thread!

[BitMaster]

We are happy to have provided the complete thing !

 

 

If all would ask before they go and buy would make things afterwards a lot simpler !

 

 

In my old days, when I did housecalls for ISP hookups and Kabeldeutschland, more than half of the time people hadgotten the routers themselves they had the wrong setup in their shopping bags...happy that Internet would work NOW. I often just sent them straight back to the shop and get what they need...two different things, what one wants to sell and what you need. Coupled with no knowledge on either side has funny outcomes, I still see it often.

[Spasticatedtoad]

I just thought I would update this post. Today my computer is being rebuilt after 8 years of long dedicated service.

When it returns home, it will be built as follows:-

 

Windows 10 pro 64bit

AMD Ryzen 1700x

Corsair H60 CPU Liquid Cooler

Asus ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO X370

16gig Gskill 2400 MHz

Gigabyte RX 580 Radeon 8gig

850W Seasonic M12 80 Plus Modular

500GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD

256GB Samsung 830 SSD

2TB HDD

3TB HDD

At this point, unless anything fails to work, this is the final build.

Any thoughts on the build?

All input is welcome.

[BitMaster]

I think you should return the RAM and get some 3200MHz sticks.

 

Ryzen only really shines with FAST modules as the CCX's speed depends on them.

 

YOu may still be able to do it now and only pay the difference instead of buying all new ones in 3 months from now.

 

Many if not all reviews about Ryzen and Gaming have stressed this point in excess, it is common knowledge. The guy who sold it to you should have told you that right away imho.

 

I must also say, it can get troublesome to find the correct modules that will run at 2933 or 3200MHz but it is well worth it, maybe a MUST in other words.

 

One thing in addition, the H60. If you have the space for a 240mm or 280mm Corsair AIO then do that. This H60 is too small to run silent and the extra money on top is not that much.

My tip, get a dual-fan 2x14cm aka 280-AIO from Corsair, think it's called H110 or H115.

The "i" is only for the Datalink, you may or may not want that gadget. It makes more sense to have it if you also pick a Corsair 850 80+Platinum grade Corsair, called AXi-860 PSU. That also has a the Datalink and will give you all data for your cooling and PSU in one GUI. I would want that if I was you, but it is not needed, just nice to have. Seasonic is good too, if yours is also Platinum, Gold is ok too, Bronze you better avoid ( cooker ).

 

*edit..yeah DOWN UNDER...get a 2x120/140mm AIO, man..it's damn hot down there !!!

 

Ryzen 1700X is superb ! just got myself an 1600X for office use and waiting for the postman ;)

Edited May 31, 2017 by BitMaster

[Spasticatedtoad]

Hi BitMaster

 

Thank you for your advice on alterations to my build. Ironically, the parts you suggest were the parts I had originally ordered.

I had ordered Corsair 3200mhz Ram and the H110 cooling unit. But yesterday I was advised that the Corsair memory is not compatible with the 1700x, due to the system misreading the Cache size of the CPU. To be honest, I prefer GSkill Ram, but to buy 3200mhz GSkill at the moment will cost me twice the price. And, as for the H110 CPU cooler, I was advised that there are some compatibility issues with that cooling unit and the 1700x when mounted on the Crosshair VI. I'm not certain of how accurate that information is but I do not want to take any unnecessary risk.

Personally, I would have liked to be able to postpone the build until these parts could be sourced but circumstances have forced my hand. I applied for a No Interest Loan through an organisation here and was approved. Without that loan, it would be another 6-12 months before I could build this system the way I would like it to be. And the way this organisation works, means that I have limited time to use the loan. If I cancelled the application or take too long to use the funds supplied, I would not be able to apply for another one for another 12 months.

As we are now heading into winter, I was thinking that I could get by on the H60 for the next 3-6 months as I live in an extremely cold part of Australia where temperatures are lucky to reach double digits during the day and often below zero in winter. As for the Ram, I may not be able to achieve the full potential of my system using this Ram and will most likely need to replace it ( as you suggested ) in a few months time, but it should allow me to at least use my system with far better performance than my current system provides, so I can live with that for a while. As long as it will be stable for the next 6 months, it will allow me to get back to work and earn some money to afford the replacement of these parts. Gaming with this system is not my highest priority for a while, so hopefully this build will meet my needs until I can further upgrade the smaller parts it needs.

Thanks again for commenting and offering your advice. I really do appreciate your input on this. I had concerns that my original build may be too mismatched to be a decent system, but to read your advice and find that you also felt it would be OK, is very reassuring. I have very few people around me who know enough about computers to discuss this with, other than computer store clerks and I find they are usually much more interested in selling the most expensive parts they have on their shelves, than they are in trying to find me a good deal.

Once I am back to work, it will be much easier to afford replacing the Ram and the cooler, one at a time, than it is to buy them up front without any work coming in.

Photography can be a cruel mistress when you are not a Professional with their own Studio.

[BitMaster]

I fully understand your situation.

 

What I dont understand is the statement of the H110 or H115 or ANY Corsair AIO being incompatible to your Motherboard but the H60 would fit. From all I know they all are the "SAME" sleek design on the cooling block. If the H60 block fits the H110 must fit as well.

 

What might differ is the case, maybe the case wont accept a dual-fan radiator, that I could believe but you can check yourself at the spec sheet of your case. Tbh, I doubt this as well but it is not my PC and I understand the situation your are in.

[Spasticatedtoad]

I fully understand your situation.

 

What I dont understand is the statement of the H110 or H115 or ANY Corsair AIO being incompatible to your Motherboard but the H60 would fit. From all I know they all are the "SAME" sleek design on the cooling block. If the H60 block fits the H110 must fit as well.

 

What might differ is the case, maybe the case wont accept a dual-fan radiator, that I could believe but you can check yourself at the spec sheet of your case. Tbh, I doubt this as well but it is not my PC and I understand the situation your are in.

 

You know, I am having a hard time understanding that too. The person I am dealing with....has a really strong Asian accent and English is not her first language. And I have a really hard time understanding her at times too.

 

The way she has explained it to me, is that 'the Pad' does not suit the 1700X because it would need a bracket to put it on there. But no-one makes a bracket so the pad will fit. She then said that if it was an AMD3 system, it would fit without a problem, but her supplier is telling her that it does not fit and AMD4 system.

 

When I was looking at Motherboards, I originally selected the X370 Carbon Gaming Pro motherboard, but I wanted liquid cooling. So when I looked at cooling units, most of what I could find was not compatible with AMD4 boards, only AMD3 and below. But when I looked at the X370 Crosshair VI, the specs for it states it has 2 mounting points for cooling units so you can use AMD4, or the older AMD3 cooling units. So that was why I selected the H110 as I could not find any AMD4 units except for a Large heat sink with a fan mounted on it.

 

I have tried to suggest that to the Store Clerk, but she keeps insisting that it will not fit because of 'The Pad' needing a bracket that does not exist.

 

The only thing I can think that she is referring to when she says 'The Pad', would be the pre-applied Thermal Paste on the pump for the H110. My case does have room for a 120mm fan or a 140mm fan, so to me, the H110 should fit fine.

 

As this is the first liquid cooling unit I have ever had, I am not experienced in how they are installed. I have been trying to find reviews or videos of people using the 1700X+ crosshair VI + H110 to try and find out if it is possible or not, but I have not found that combination as yet.

 

My tower case is a CM Storm Scout Gamers Case which should have plenty of room to fit the H110, but the way the clerk talks about the H110, it seems more like a problem with the CPU and Motherboard rather than the Case itself.

 

If you know of any reference that does show the H110 will mount properly on the 1700X and Crosshair VI, could you please send me a link so I can show that to the clerk? ( only if you have it handy, I don't expect you to go chasing problems for me ). I'll keep looking to try and find proof she is mistaken as I really would prefer to build as much of the Final Build as I can, without having to upgrade too many parts in the next few months. I can live with the less powerful RAM for now as that can be fixed in a few months, but I really would like to lock in the right cooling solution from the start.

Thank you for your continued advice BitMaster, I really do appreciate your much more experienced advice very much.

[BitMaster]

She actually means the mounting bracket, which I think can be ordered from Corsair but I have to check if that is true.

 

Rather get a Noctua DH-15 SE ( SPecial Edition for AM4 ) as that will be more of what you want and basically around the same price. It will be a better cooler compared to the H60 with more headroom.

 

I just ordered that exact same cooler for a Ryzen 1600X on an Asus Prime X370-Pro.

 

Let me check the website from Corsair, will post what I find out. Maybe that Lady is just lazy in servicing cusomers, something I really don't like down to the bone. My attitude is FULL service or none at all.

 

LoL...she's LAZY:

 

from Corsair website:: http://www.corsair.com/en-ww/am4-amd-retention-bracket-kit-for-hydro-series-coolers

 

..........

If you have CORSAIR Coolers: H50, H55, H75, H80i v2 (H80i GT), H90, H100i v2 (H100i GTX), H105, H110i GTX, H115i, you will need to order this bracket to install the cooler on an AM4 socket.

 

If you have CORSAIR Coolers: H60, H110i (H110i GT), H100i, the cooler is compatible with the existing AMD bracket out of the box. The AMD bracket for these coolers can be ordered here.

...........

 

 

edit*2

 

some cooler comparison chart:

 

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/05/10/nzxt_kraken_x62_allinone_cpu_liquid_cooler_review/3

Edited June 1, 2017 by BitMaster

[Spasticatedtoad]

She actually means the mounting bracket, which I think can be ordered from Corsair but I have to check if that is true.

 

Rather get a Noctua DH-15 SE ( SPecial Edition for AM4 ) as that will be more of what you want and basically around the same price. It will be a better cooler compared to the H60 with more headroom.

 

I just ordered that exact same cooler for a Ryzen 1600X on an Asus Prime X370-Pro.

 

Let me check the website from Corsair, will post what I find out. Maybe that Lady is just lazy in servicing cusomers, something I really don't like down to the bone. My attitude is FULL service or none at all.

 

LoL...she's LAZY:

 

from Corsair website::

 

If you have CORSAIR Coolers: H50, H55, H75, H80i v2 (H80i GT), H90, H100i v2 (H100i GTX), H105, H110i GTX, H115i, you will need to order this bracket to install the cooler on an AM4 socket.

 

If you have CORSAIR Coolers: H60, H110i (H110i GT), H100i, the cooler is compatible with the existing AMD bracket out of the box. The AMD bracket for these coolers can be ordered here.

 

Awesome! Thank you very much, I will check that out for sure.

Ironically, I just found a YouTube video describing How to Mount the H110 on the Crosshair and after watching it, I think when the clerk mentions a 'Bracket' , she might be referring to the Back Plate that is needed if you are going to mount the cooling unit using the AMD3 mounting points.

The person who posted the video, describes a back plate that can be bought online that will suit and has provided a link for where to buy it. I think I will have a good look at both that link, and the cooling unit you have suggested as I really would like to sort that out in one go.

Although the H60 is not very expensive, it is a waste of money to install that unit for just a few months, only to find it will struggle when the warmer weather returns.

 

Thank you so much for that advice mate, I owe you big time for all your advice. :thumbup:

[BitMaster]

Look for the Kraken X62, it comes with AM4 bracket and is superior to the Hxxx series according to HardOCP test results, about same price.

 

https://www.nzxt.com/products/kraken-x62

 

 

last but not least: make sure your Case supports DUAL 140mm Radiator !!!!

 

if not, take another case !

[BitMaster]

May I suggest one more thing:

 

I think you are using 1 SSD and 1 HDD from your OLD machine, which is perfect.

 

Don' buy a new SSD & HDD but get the RIGHT & FAST RAM now, so you wont have to take it out in 3 months from now and use your old SSD & HDD and add newer ones later.

 

That way you dont waste any money, and any SSD is fast enough to power DCS, it really doesnt need to be a NvME.

 

Then when you get a new SSD, do a NvME version ! and a HDD of your liking !

 

3200MHz is plenty for Ryzen, faster may be supported in a few weeks with new Bios so gettimng 3600 cant harm. Max worse that can happen is a temporarily DOWNCLOCK to speeds it boots with, than later on, increase speed as support is present with new Bios'.

[Spasticatedtoad]

May I suggest one more thing:

 

I think you are using 1 SSD and 1 HDD from your OLD machine, which is perfect.

 

Don' buy a new SSD & HDD but get the RIGHT & FAST RAM now, so you wont have to take it out in 3 months from now and use your old SSD & HDD and add newer ones later.

 

That way you dont waste any money, and any SSD is fast enough to power DCS, it really doesnt need to be a NvME.

 

Then when you get a new SSD, do a NvME version ! and a HDD of your liking !

 

3200MHz is plenty for Ryzen, faster may be supported in a few weeks with new Bios so gettimng 3600 cant harm. Max worse that can happen is a temporarily DOWNCLOCK to speeds it boots with, than later on, increase speed as support is present with new Bios'.

 

That is a very good point. I was originally only going to buy a new SSD as I found once all my software is installed on a secondary HDD, the SSD ends up quite full and has very little free space left. As I only have Windows and DCS directly installed on the SSD and everything else on a second HDD, I didn't want to end up back in the same spot with the new system ( lacking free space ).

 

My line of thinking, was to buy a new SSD for Windows and high demand programs only. The rest of my software would be installed on the new HDD and store files only on my current HDD.

 

As my current SSD and current HDD are quite a few years old, I was concerned about installing software on them in case of a HDD failure and mucking up my registry when I replace those drives.

So I was going to use the new SSD and HDD for software installation and old HDD for storage. I really only wanted to put the old SSD in the system as it still works and would be a waste not to continue using it. In my current system, it has been running at 100% for the majority of its life and I was not certain of how much life it has left.

 

I may be just paranoid about sufferring a hard drive failure, but the above solution was the only way I could convince myself it would be OK.

 

I really wish I knew more about computers so that I could be certain of my actions and not be so worried about spending all this money and sufferring a failure shortly after. If that happened, I would be down the toilet pretty quickly as I will not have money to rectify that for some time.

 

I'll give your suggestion a lot of thought and see what I can do. I really would prefer the right cooling solution and the right memory for the system from the start, I just have to be able to make it work for my budget and time frame.

 

As I am also having to replace a $1600 camera body at the same time, my budget is pushed to the very last dollar. All up, I am looking at around $4,000 to try and fit all of this into. The computer is around $2,450 and the camera is $1,599. Any money I can save right now, will make a huge difference.

 

It's really frustrating because in 6 months time, I will be able to afford this build WITH the right parts, but my work can not be put off any longer. I have already taken quite a huge hit in the last 3 months and can not afford to lose any more clients.

 

In my mind, using the above Hard Drive Solution is about the only way I could guarantee I would not need to outlay any more money over the next 6 months, so I could focus on work alone.

 

You're probably chuckling at my paranoid way of thinking and I can't blame you. But if I didn't think that way, I would not sleep at all. :doh: