DCS Yak-52 vs TF-51

[Mig Fulcrum]

What do you think about a YAK-52 as free clickable cockpit plane despite the TF-51?

To me the free complete aircraft in DCS has in importat role: to train new rookie pilots and i don't think the TF-51 is the most appropriate aircraft.

For this role the Yak-52 is the best plane i think, just think it about: it's less dangerous, it has a much easier start-up procedure, less torque so for neophytes is a more gestible engine and esier to fly, it has a tricycle undercarriage, it's an aerobtic plane so it forgives many mistakes of the pilot and it has a dual seat where the instructor (alias an expert DCS pilot) could teach inside the cockpit.

At the same time it has all the features of a military plane such as flaps, retractable gear, closed cockpit...

And don't forget the most important thing: it's very very cheap for ED to make it 'couse it's a civil plane.

I'm not saying to remove the TF-51 but to alongside him with the yak, or maybe make it free to download.

P.S: Of course before this ED have to finish the F/A-18.

[Buzzles]

And don't forget the most important thing: it's very very cheap for ED to make it 'couse it's a civil plane.

 

Sorry, but you clearly don't have any idea of what has to go into any DCS level aircraft.

There's plenty of threads and posts on the topic, so I'm not going to break it down here but the fact it's a civil plane has very little bearing on the time it takes to develop the flight model and systems.

 

As per the last "more free stuff!" wishlist I'll ask the same question:

 

What's in it for ED?

 

Aircraft at DCS level cost well over $150k from what information has been made available on that topic (BF-109 flight model alone was $120k+), and there's already two free aircraft in DCS.

 

What would ED gain from spending all that money and giving it away for free?

[Mig Fulcrum]

BF-109 and Yak-52 have no comparable flight prices, of course an historic military aircraft is more expensive to fly.

For the second topic ED first of all would implements the double on-line seat to show the players what really is and for second Yak-52 is a very wanted aircraft by sim pilots so all people who fly it in FSX discover DCS and probabily will buy more modules, it'a sort of sponsor.

[cichlidfan]

Why do so many people think ED should provide more free aircraft? Last I checked, ED is a for profit company and created more free planes can only hurt those margins.

 

Aside from that issue, what would a civil plane offer to attract civil flight simmers? No ATC, limited terrain, no civilian air traffic, etc. In short there is very little here to attract a civilian flight simmer.

Edited March 4, 2017 by cichlidfan

[Buzzles]

BF-109 and Yak-52 have no comparable flight prices, of course an historic military aircraft is more expensive to fly.

 

This might be a language barrier issue causing a misunderstanding, but it's nothing to with how expensive they are to fly in comparison to each other.

 

It doesn't matter too much what the aircraft is because ED still have to pay someone (or many people) to:

 

• Research + create the 3d model, then animate and texture it
  
• Research the flight characteristics and dynamics + implement a simulation of them
  
• Research and implement all the systems (fuel, electrical) etc..
  
• Test all the above are both accurate and actually work as a module
  

It's months and months of work regardless of what aircraft it is.

Development time for DCS aircraft is measured in years and months for a team of people. It costs a lot of money.

 

For the second topic ED first of all would implements the double on-line seat to show the players what really is and for second Yak-52 is a very wanted aircraft by sim pilots so all people who fly it in FSX discover DCS and probabily will buy more modules, it'a sort of sponsor.

ED already have a two-seat aircraft in the L-39, and the third party devs are doing them too. There's plenty of videos and such showing off that functionality.

There's also the fact DCS lacks some stuff in comparison to the other sims with regards to civil aviation, I doubt the dual seat will be enough to pull the people who want and use those features across.

 

Plus, I highly doubt the Yak-52 is a very wanted aircraft by sim pilots in DCS. I think that honour goes to the F-16 or the F-18, and has for a long, long time. The vocal part of the community has also made it pretty clear that more trainers aren't really welcome either at the moment.

 

So again, what's in it for ED to spend a load of cash and time to bring an arguably niche, unneeded and somewhat unwanted trainer into DCS to give away for free?

Edited March 4, 2017 by Buzzles
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[Sarraceno]

Dunno, i am quite skeptical about this plane, but certainly there will be many people interested... and an inspired Vpilot will surely find it an use in DCS environment, military roles of an aircraft are not limited to blow things up in land/sea/air.... there's some servers where the found a tactical use to TF51, and of course, aerobatics servers are a thing,

 

As someone pointed before, DCS is just a small part of ED business, i bet they have far better revenues from professional contractors and i'm not going to argue if they want to put this yak into DCS, everybody is free to take it or not, afterall it will be extra Euros for business, which is a logical move, especially if they know there will be some extra cash from 2 different markets with the effort put towards one, which is the case of this plane.

 

Yes, as most of you i would prefer them to focus on DCS stuff, but makes sense when you see the full picture

[Redglyph]

This is a great idea!

 

Not only because it's a very interesting plane, but it will allow for training with other people online and open other types of missions. So a little of diversity is welcome, you've got to stir the pot now and then :)

 

There was a thread a while ago, on whether a trainer could be interesting, and there was quite a lot of positive feedback and ideas, perhaps it's coming partly from there. I was expecting a North American T-6, or a TF-51 upgrade, which would have been nice too, but in the end it's even better if there's a new and more original aircraft.

 

A bit sad to see this TF-51 ignored, though. It's what I tested first and it convinced me to jump on board because it was rather good but also because I knew the P-51 was more finished, others must have taken the same path. A little bug fixing and dual seat would make a nice introduction for many to DCS, and a good advirtisement too.

[Bogey Jammer]

How does that feel to look back at that kind of candid wish that turns out to be unexpectedly realized ? :megalol:

[msalama]

In short there is very little here to attract a civilian flight simmer.

 

Very true. But when there's stuff like the Yak-52 coming up and 3rd party devs showing interest in shoving their feet into the great civvie swamp, who knows where we'll be in the future?