A-10 Model

[Guest IguanaKing]

Heh...no prob, DeadMan...since the Su-34 and Su-25T are already in the game, surely the devs can give us QuickDraw on our hogs. :D

[warthogmadman987]

I'm not trying to say if dice is right or not, i just question if we should get rid of the scoops on the nose of the airplane. I say this becuase if i am correct, we are trying to model an A-10A, not the A-10C, correct. If we wanted to get rid of the scoops and make it an A-10A, i think we should have to change the entire model, not just the scoops. Granted, i know there are not many visible differences from the outside. Except those scoops, and few pylons, etc... but that is about it. Also, if we were to change the A-10A to the C i think we should change this cockpit now into the A-10C's cockpit. Which i am pretty sure would require an entire new 3D cockpit, cosidering the A-10A's cockpit has slightly different layout, knew throttle and much more. Following this, we couldnt get the knew upgrades the A-10A has into the game. I dont think we would be able to model everything without ED. Following this game was made to reinact a time peroid as if it were the 80's. It would bother me if i had a A-10A without the availabiltiy of LBG's! If there is a huge interest for the A version (which i am not for at the time, unless we can fix some issues i stated) I would instead lean to the "new" C version lo-fi is working on. If there is a complaint over this, would it be possible to make a new A-10A and new A-10C. Give people the choice of which they choose to install???

 

ps- wow that was a lot of typing...

[Dice]

Let me clarify this a bit. Quick-draw allows all AGM-65s on a selected station to slew together. Only one will lock onto a target but, This allows the next mav to be pointed in the same area and, as IK stated, slaved and ground stabilized ready to fire on the next target. This saves a lot of time slewing the next AGM-65 from the bore-site position (straight ahead) to the target area thus allowing rapid fire of the AGM-65s.

 

Imagine you find a convoy and have quick-draw. You slew the first maverick onto the lead and fire, with quick-draw your next mav is already pointed at the convoy so all you have to do is move the piper slightly and you can lock onto and fire on the next vehicle in line. It also helps with hard to find targets, once you found them, all the mavericks are pointed at the same area so you don’t have to find them again.

 

[Dice]

Warthogmadman987, I'm sorry but I'm having trouble following what you're saying in some parts of your post so, I will answer the best I can.

 

I didn't say, or mean to say, model an A-10C by removing the scoops but, what I meant to say is, by removing the scoops you would model a current A-10A.

 

Maybe I should say what year (config) A-10 you guys are trying to model.

[504MrWolf]

I hope we are modelling the 80's A-10A with scoops, Dice when did they put the CM dispensers on the landing gear nacelles ?

 

I dont remember seeing them on too many WR and AR ships in the 80's.

[Guest IguanaKing]

 

 

 

 

Heh...I see their seekers all slewed to the same spot. Nice photo!

 

Wow! A photo of 3 65's on station 3. Is that done very often, Dice, or are those inert? If its done with active weapons, I'd definitely be up for adding 1 more D to stations 3 and 9 in my realism mod for the A-10s stores. :D

[Deadman]

Ok Guys Don't freak The Model is an A-10-A. I dont have a date refrence for when the c/f units were installed in to the tapered fairing in the landing gear sponsons They were all ready in the model I personal would like to keep them. What years are we talking about for the model to be correct?Our frist goal of the is model is to be as accurate as possible. Lo-fi is doing a great job at that. If Dice has the Time To install a 3 d max Viewer and speak with us on a ts server we would like a walk through with him before a release.

[Guest IguanaKing]

I hope we are modelling the 80's A-10A with scoops, Dice when did they put the CM dispensers on the landing gear nacelles ?

 

I dont remember seeing them on too many WR and AR ships in the 80's.

 

The main gear fairing mod was done on all aircraft, serial 77-277 and subsequent.

[Deadman]

Thats the information I all so have so It would be in 1977? is that correct.

[Deadman]

So this front antenna for the ALR-46V can be deleted. Due to the change to the ALR-69 after air frame 78-582

[Guest IguanaKing]

Yup, and the UHF/TACAN blade visible in that same thumbnail gets moved a few feet aft of that position if you're modelling a 78-622 or after hog. :D

[Guest IguanaKing]

BTW...I just looked at the photos I have of 77-0205, and its main gear fairings also have the mod to accomodate ALE-40s. I guess it must have been a retrofit.

[warthogmadman987]

Warthogmadman987, I'm sorry but I'm having trouble following what you're saying in some parts of your post so, I will answer the best I can.

 

I didn't say, or mean to say, model an A-10C by removing the scoops but, what I meant to say is, by removing the scoops you would model a current A-10A.

 

Maybe I should say what year (config) A-10 you guys are trying to model.

 

Ya, sorry, it was late last night and i wasnt really paying attention to my grammar. Basically my point was is that i think we should stick with modeling the A-10A variant instead of the C for many of the reasons i listed in my previous post. (The game engine limits what we can and cant model correctly)

[Dice]

IK, that photo was taken during Operation Iraqi Freedom and are very much live missiles and not training. A configuration like this was/is not used very often because the drag of 6 mavericks (you have to load both station 3 & 9 for balance) eats fuel like crazy and reduces you maneuverability so much pilots will almost refuse to carry them.

 

Because Kuwait was so close to Iraq this load was carried a couple of times into combat but, it was used most often to ferry 65s to the FOL. Aircraft would take-off from Kuwait with 6 mavs, fly to the FOL, the LAU-88 would be downloaded with the 6 missiles and replaced with a single LAU-117 and the other 5 mavs could then be used to rearm the aircraft after a mission.

 

I know we’re getting a little off track here but, there are a couple of things you guys need to understand about how aircraft are moded. Mods like the CW mod (which happened around 1989-1992) and the ALR 69 mod are done on all aircraft in the inventory. It can take a couple of years (depending on the urgency of the mod) to get the whole fleet moded. So you can’t say aircraft tail number such and such (like 77-0205) got this or that mod and the others didn’t, it comes down to the time frame it got the mod.

 

There are a few minor exceptions to this rule because the Guard and Reserves have different pots of money but, any major mod like the ALR-69, CW, Night Vision, LAST, ect are done on all aircraft in the active fleet. The reason you done see the CW mod on aircraft from bases like WR and AR is because these bases closed after Desert Storm (DS) before the mod was complete. The aircraft that stayed in the inventory after DS still got the mod they were just assigned to other bases before they received it.

 

Deadman, I would not mind installing a 3D viewer but, I don’t have any program like team speak to be able to talk to you guys.

 

Where did this 3D model come from in the first place? I helped “Wags” with the model in LOMAC and “we” modeled a late 1980s, early 1990s, LASTE 4.0 (no NVGs) A-10 in that sim. What needs to happen is you guys decide what year you want to model and we can work from there.

[ALDEGA]

Dice, are you aware about the "A-10C" which ED is modelling for the Air National Guard? (The Battle Sim)

[Guest IguanaKing]

IK, that photo was taken during Operation Iraqi Freedom and are very much live missiles and not training. A configuration like this was/is not used very often because the drag of 6 mavericks (you have to load both station 3 & 9 for balance) eats fuel like crazy and reduces you maneuverability so much pilots will almost refuse to carry them.

 

Because Kuwait was so close to Iraq this load was carried a couple of times into combat but, it was used most often to ferry 65s to the FOL. Aircraft would take-off from Kuwait with 6 mavs, fly to the FOL, the LAU-88 would be downloaded with the 6 missiles and replaced with a single LAU-117 and the other 5 mavs could then be used to rearm the aircraft after a mission.

 

I know we’re getting a little off track here but, there are a couple of things you guys need to understand about how aircraft are moded. Mods like the CW mod (which happened around 1989-1992) and the ALR 69 mod are done on all aircraft in the inventory. It can take a couple of years (depending on the urgency of the mod) to get the whole fleet moded. So you can’t say aircraft tail number such and such (like 77-0205) got this or that mod and the others didn’t, it comes down to the time frame it got the mod.

 

There are a few minor exceptions to this rule because the Guard and Reserves have different pots of money but, any major mod like the ALR-69, CW, Night Vision, LAST, ect are done on all aircraft in the active fleet. The reason you done see the CW mod on aircraft from bases like WR and AR is because these bases closed after Desert Storm (DS) before the mod was complete. The aircraft that stayed in the inventory after DS still got the mod they were just assigned to other bases before they received it.

 

Deadman, I would not mind installing a 3D viewer but, I don’t have any program like team speak to be able to talk to you guys.

 

Where did this 3D model come from in the first place? I helped “Wags” with the model in LOMAC and “we” modeled a late 1980s, early 1990s, LASTE 4.0 (no NVGs) A-10 in that sim. What needs to happen is you guys decide what year you want to model and we can work from there.

 

Thanks, Dice! I'm adding 2 more Ds to my hog mod then. :D

 

I hear you on the mods subject, I guess its more a question of the year the picture is taken...rather than the airframe number. Heh...I should know this stuff, since the 1975 B58TC I worked on on Friday wasn't born with that MX-20 and CNX-80...they were added later. :D

[Deadman]

Dice all you need is a head set and to down load Teamspeek http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads

or Ventrilo http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php both are client free down loads. I also have a MSN messanger account and yahoo you can let me know whitch you would like to use and I will send you my contact info. I am located in central europe so I am 8 hour later than you, and Lo-fi is located in the UK but we can work that out.Lo-fi does not have a headset right now so we have time to work out something. The model should reflect the same time period as the original.The inprovements will be greater detail better level of model and the ablity to add more skins to the model I am looking forward to working with you on this project thanks Deadman

[Dice]

ALDGEA, I've heard of the project and spoke to some people involved during the early stages but, I have not been involved in over a year.

 

IK, not a problem man everyone can use a refresher in mods 101 every now and then.

 

Deadman, I will download teamspeak and install it. I prefer MSM so send me your contact info. If you want to stay with the original model then it would be an A-10A around the mid to late 1980s. With that in mind the first thing is to deside which ALR system you want and remove the other. As the model stands now it has the ALR-46 "chin-mount" (and maybe the tail mount I can't tell from the images posted) and the "Bug-eyes" of the ALR-69 system. One or the other needs to be removed. If you go to my website at the link below if can see the two systems I'm talking about...

 

http://www.warthogpen.com/A-10_walk_around.htm

 

I'm looking forward to working with you guys also, been a while since I've worked on an A-10 sim project.

[Deadman]

Thats what I thought about the front antenna thanks pm sent with contact info thanks again

[504MrWolf]

Hay Deadman the 44th have a Teamspeak server you can use (im asuming your the same 44th Lt.Deadman?) when ever you need.

 

I got 100mb of A-10A/C photos so gimmi a shout on MSN if ya need any, im also 40/50% into a HIGH detail 2048 template for the A-10A with just about every rivet included lol.

 

If this new model is going to use the same skin layout as the normal lockon A-10 then i will resume my work on this template.

[504MrWolf]

http://www.donloganbooks.com/galleryindex.htm

 

nice shots there !

[VapoR]

http://www.donloganbooks.com/galleryindex.htm

 

nice shots there !

 

Some nice shots, indeed!! I've been hunting down A-10 pics myself and in alot of them I'm seeing heat blur from the fans, I wish ED would give us this . . .

[Deadman]

Hi Mr Wolf yes I am a member of the 44th I have just had this account first so no 44th tag I will look for you tonigh on th 44th TS or the 504th TS or you can get my MSN address from the Pm I will send thanks

 

 

 

 

Hay Deadman the 44th have a Teamspeak server you can use (im asuming your the same 44th Lt.Deadman?) when ever you need.

 

I got 100mb of A-10A/C photos so gimmi a shout on MSN if ya need any, im also 40/50% into a HIGH detail 2048 template for the A-10A with just about every rivet included lol.

 

If this new model is going to use the same skin layout as the normal lockon A-10 then i will resume my work on this template.

[Dice]

Deadman, what area of the aircraft are you working on now? To say I have a few pictures of the A-10 would be an understatment and if I don't have what we need I have friends in the field (working the A-10 today) who can get it for me.

 

My biggest problem is I'm on dial-up because of working being done to the systems in my area. I can upload what you need (a few high rez shots at a time) to my website and you can pull them off there.

[Deadman]

Hi Dice well I just pulled a couple of hundred poly out of the main panel cover that the HUD sits above. I am not sure what Lofi is working on tonight. I'll ask for photos he may need we are using 1/72 line drawings from Dana Bells in detail and scale for the main refrence.If you have Five veiw line drawings that are more acurate than those it world be a great help.Please feel free tp cpntact me on MSN i hve sent you the contact information through Private Message here on the site Thanks