kylekatarn720 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 From "Brevity MULTI-SERVICE BREVITY CODES FM 1-02.1 (FM 3-54.10) MCRP 3-25B NTTP 6-02.1 AFTTP(I) 3-2.5 (JUNE 2005)": DIRT - RWR indication of surface threat in search mode. See MUD. MUD (type w/direction/ range if able) - RWR ground threat displayed with no launch indication. / RWR indication of surface threat in track mode. See DIRT and SINGER. SINGER (type/direction) - RWR indication of SAM launch. NAILS (direction) - RWR indication of AI radar in search. SPIKE/SPIKED (direction) - RWR indication of an AI threat in track or launch. Note that in this document DIRT is flagged as "Not a NATO brevity word.". Also, both DIRT and the second definition of MUD are flagged as "a new brevity code, an additional meaning, or a deleted meaning to an existing term.", which seems to imply that prior to this document any AG indication was MUD, and an AG launch SINGER; DIRT was seemingly introduced to separate AG indications from AG tracking, and align it with the NAILS/SPIKE pair. I believe MUDSPIKE is a common term that took off for some reason and is now "wrongly" used by the community. Keep in mind though that the point of brevity is to convey a meaning in the most efficient way possible, so if MUDSPIKE is understood by everyone then by all means use it. It's not the correct IRL brevity (as per docs), that's all. Thats why i cant find it then, all of the docs i got are from the nato standardization office. If you dont mind it, can you share that document you got with me? i would love to update the list i have with other non-nato words.
Gliptal Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Thats why i cant find it then, all of the docs i got are from the nato standardization office. If you dont mind it, can you share that document you got with me? i would love to update the list i have with other non-nato words.https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm1-02-1.pdf 1
JNinness Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 MUD (type w/direction/range if able) / RWR ground threat displayed with no launch indication. / AIR-GEN (Air operations - general) SPIKED (direction) / RWR indication of a HOSTILE AI radar lock-on (“RED 4, SPIKED, right 2 o’clock”). / AIR-GEN (Air operations - general) quotes from "NATO STANDARD APP-7 JOINT BREVITY WORDS Edition F Version 1, APRIL 2015Yes I can see that... Mud does not mention a lock on you... Merely the presence of a ground radar. Spiked is an A2A term. Dirt is a term that does not exist in the list. Mud Spike does not exist in the list either. Mud Spike is a term that has been used in the sim I suggested a possible origin for the term and asked for any suggestions or knowledge on this. Quoting the list does clarify the exact meaning for those who were unsure if that was your aim. Can you address the other points in my post? The reason I asked is from my Military experience we used words for brevity that are not present in the list. Now granted my service is now long behind me. So I was putting out a general call for possible input and if you can provide an explanation as well. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk "Jonno" Flying DCS since Black Shark 1.
kylekatarn720 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm1-02-1.pdf Thank you :thumbup:
kylekatarn720 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Yes I can see that... Mud does not mention a lock on you... Merely the presence of a ground radar. Spiked is an A2A term. Dirt is a term that does not exist in the list. Mud Spike does not exist in the list either. Mud Spike is a term that has been used in the sim I suggested a possible origin for the term and asked for any suggestions or knowledge on this. Quoting the list does clarify the exact meaning for those who were unsure if that was your aim. Can you address the other points in my post? The reason I asked is from my Military experience we used words for brevity that are not present in the list. Now granted my service is now long behind me. So I was putting out a general call for possible input and if you can provide an explanation as well. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Sorry man, i cant give you any further explanations on it. Cos i simply dont know. Maybe its still being used by the USAF, so maybe its in the game because of that.
JNinness Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 @Gliptal Thank you for your response and for the origin of your information, it is appreciated. It might be worth keeping in mind that parts of the game engine may be from the original Lock On: Modern Air Combat. This is an engine that has been in development in the very early 2000s but all of the reference documents are from 2005 or later. It is possible that changes suggested in your document Gliptal are a change from the earlier call to spilt them and avoid confusion. As such the Mudspike call may be historic in nature. It is worth noting that the term is discussed in an earlier forum on Ubisoft in 2004. http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/51196-Whats-a-mud-spike-Forums "Jonno" Flying DCS since Black Shark 1.
Eddie Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Mudspike (I feel dirty just typing it) has never existed as a real world brevity word/call. It is purely a corruption/misunderstanding of brevity that exists in the flight sim community, and the DCS community in particular. 1
JNinness Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Mudspike (I feel dirty just typing it) has never existed as a real world brevity word/call. It is purely a corruption/misunderstanding of brevity that exists in the flight sim community, and the DCS community in particular. Thank you for the clarification. "Jonno" Flying DCS since Black Shark 1.
Whirlaway Posted January 6, 2019 Posted January 6, 2019 Me trying to use brevity codes. When me president. You see. You see.
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