Nose wheel deflection angle wrong?

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

Hi, just noticed that the nose wheel angle with the main shaft seems to be too small compared to real life Harrier which leads to a lack of amount of deflection when landing the plane. Just made this PS to compare with the real Harrier (EDITED with the right image, sorry) :

 

 

as you can see, the DCS Harrier looks like having the deflection of being touching the ground and sustaining the weight of the plane instead of being totally free of weight. When landing, this makes the plane to look lacking of suspension.

 

In this image you can see how the real a/c in the ground has similar angle to the one in DCS BUT when FREE OF WEIGHT:

 

 

 

free of weight real life:

 

 

thanks!

Edited December 4, 2017 by watermanpc

[Scooternutz]

Great research! Thank you! Hope they get this fixed.

[Robert31178]

It is a little off. I do see, however, that In the first posted pic with the overlay the planes also aren't at the same attitude, nor are the green lines lined up on the exact same spot.

[mr_mojo97]

Yeah, on the ground the angle seems about right, but in flight I also think is too shallow. Some of your pics show varying load outs so that must be the max shollow angle on the ground. Other photos I've seen in flight agree with what you suggest - the angle needs to be steeper.

Edited December 4, 2017 by mr_mojo97

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

Thanks for the replies guys!

 

Another way to "measure" the mismatch is by measuring the distance and ANGLE between the center of the wheel and the little door of the nose gear:

 

Here I made another pic where I superposed the DCS picture to the real picture with matching sizes:

 

 

@Robert31178:

 

Yes, you are right, there is a little deviation in the pictures (there will ALWAYS be some deviation unless achieving exactly the same FOV, angle of view and distance which is quite difficult, if not impossible and couldn't find a perfectly sided picture of the Harrier night attack in flight so its from a video in youtube) but I think its very little and the mismatch is big enough to simply see it by eye.

 

Also, the reason the green "vertical" line in the first real life picture is slightly inclined is in fact, to better adjust to the position the plane is in the picture so it's perpendicular to the bottom of the plane and pararell to the main gear shaft. Anyway, as I said, I know this is not an "accurate" measure by any means but I think it's enough to see there is a problem there and the main gear is too deflected in no weight configuration.

 

Hope this to be acknowledged (maybe can be moved to the bug section?).

Edited December 4, 2017 by watermanpc

[bart]

Its the nose wheel oleo not extending in flight when theres no weight on it. I would say the in flight angle probably hasn't been modeled yet.

 

Good spot OP.

[robmlufc]

Worth bearing in mind that the nose leg shortens itself on retraction before it moves up into the nose bay, otherwise the wheel smashes into the fuselage.

 

If the nose bay is modelled to the correct size and the nose leg shortening isn't modelled, perhaps RAZBAM have modelled a slightly shorter nose leg or less extension to make it fit?

[Robert31178]

If you want to see a really bad one check out the main gear on the P-51 Mustang in IL2:1946.....they modelled the gear door to match the extended oleo, even when it's on the ground. Man that used to erk me.....

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

Thanks guys!!, it could be moved to bugs section then, as I guess Razbam is willing to make the most realistic simulation possible and such a "error" won't be acceptable I guess.

[Texac]

It has been fixed by now in 1.5 so did the shape of the FLIR system changed and the missing maintenance hole in front of the windshield.

 

Perhaps even a few more things.