PCA Select bug?

[sunski34]

Hi,

 

In 1.5.8, PCA select control doesn't work. I tested M2000C in AA configuration, PCA select on 530D but when pressing PCA select it seem to be like AA Gun select.

 

I didn' t test on 2.2

 

Sunski

Edited December 17, 2017 by sunski34

[jojo]

Hi,

 

In 1.5.8, PCA select control doesn't work. I tested M2000C in AA configuration, PCA select on 530D but when pressing PCA select it seem to be like AA Gun select.

 

I didn' t on 2.2

 

Sunski

 

I just tested in "Missile combat" mission on Open Beta and it does work.

[sunski34]

Strange... Doesn't work for me on 1.5.8 release not beta and in MP.

 

I will try in SP.

[sunski34]

Ok i've got it once more, there's a bug... I will try to reproduce.

[sunski34]

Ok, how to reproduce

• Master arm on
  
• click on 530 on PCA
  
• Push AA Gun Select the PCA Select -> Ok, if you just use PCA select/AA gun select and Magic select
  
• Then push AA Gun select and click 530 on PCA -> 530D is selected (light on)
  
• Push PCA Select then AA Gun select -> PCA select is equal as AA Gun select
  

 

then, it doesn't work.

 

But if you push PCA select then reselect 530 on PCA and push AA Gun than PCA select select that works again

 

Same pb in SP and MP.

 

To be more comprehensive ;)

 

if you push 530 on PCA after a click on AA Gun select then another click on PCA select -> Bug (PCA select and AA Gun select are equivalent, no light under 530 on PCA)

 

Than you have to push 530 on PCA after a click on PCA select then a click on AA Gun select -> works again

Edited December 17, 2017 by sunski34

[jojo]

I don't understand anything of what you're doing !

 

In real life, AA gun and Magic select are on the throttle and have priority over PCA selection.

 

If it doesn't sense for you contact me in PM in French...

[myHelljumper]

I tried to recreate the bug but I couldn't from your instructions.

[sunski34]

I understand it isn't simple to follow, But I'm sure there's a problem.

I will send you a message in french.

 

To reproduce : (M2000C in AA mode - 2 magic and 2 530D)

 

• select 530 on PCA by clicking on 530 -> light on under 530. OK
  
• click on AA Gun Select -> light off under 530. OK
  
• select 530 on PCA by clicking on 530 -> light on under 530. OK it's a new PCA configuration
  
• click on PCA select then on AA gun select ... -> always light off under 530. Why if selected previously ?
  

 

To restore :

 

• click on PCA select if necessary -> light off under 530
  
• select 530 on PCA by clicking on 530 -> light on under 530. OK it's a new PCA configuration
  
• click on AA gun select -> OK light off under 530
  
• click on PCA select -> light on under 530
  

[myHelljumper]

As said in PM, the problem exist but is linked to the incorrect PCA implementation and I sure will be fixed with the PCA update.

[QuiGon]

What's wrong with the PCA implementation?

[myHelljumper]

What's wrong with the PCA implementation?

 

Take a read here :) :

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3097392&postcount=4493

[QuiGon]

Take a read here :) :

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3097392&postcount=4493

Thanks, I missed that! :thumbup:

[sunski34]

As said in PM, the problem exist but is linked to the incorrect PCA implementation and I sure will be fixed with the PCA update.

 

Ok thanks

[QuiGon]

The HUD has four master modes:

 

• WOW (Weight On Wheels).
  
• NAV + APP (APP is a NAV submode)
  
• AA
  
• AG
  

 

Here is how it works now:

 

 

• WOW overrides anything while the aircraft is on the ground.
  
• NAV is default mode when in the air.
  
• APP is NAV submode.
  
• HUD changes to the appropriate mode based on selected weapon in the PCA or by HOTAS.
  
• If not weapon has been selected, it will select AA Gun: CAN when you click Master Arm ON.
  

Here is how it must work:

 

 

• WOW overrides anything while the aircraft is on the ground.
  
• NAV is default mode when in the air.
  
• APP is NAV submode.
  
• AA mode is engaged only when selecting CAN or MAG by HOTAS.
  
• Clicking on PCA HOTAS button will revert to NAV (only if neither 530 or POL are selected).
  
• AA mode is engaged if either 530 or POL are selected in the PCA. Deselecting 530 or POL in the PCA returns to NAV.
  
• Clicking on MAG in the PCA does not change into AA, nor does it returns to NAV if AA is engaged.
  
• MAG option in the PCA is used to activate magic seeker search option. It does not select the missile for launch nor does it set the system in AA mode.
  
• CAN and MAG HOTAS selection are overrides. System will ignore any PCA selection until you click the PCA HOTAS button.
  
• Selecting any type of AG weapon in the PCA does not change the system to AG mode. Only the PCA changes to display weapons option in the top row.
  
• To activate AG mode you must:
  
  • Select AG weapon in the PCA.
    
  • Click the Special Modes Switch Forward.
    

  [*]To return to NAV with AG weapon selected you must:

  • Click the Special Modes Switch Aft.
    

  [*]The Master Arm switch only authorizes weapons launch/release/fire. If no weapon is selected, nothing happens. System remains in NAV or APP.

 

What does this mean?

That during Air-to-Air engagements you can have all three weapons ready at your fingertip:

You preselect 530 in the PCA and then choose CAN, MAG or 530 by using the HOTAS buttons: CAN, MAG or PCA.

 

For Air-to-Ground operations this means that you can set your attack plan without losing NAV data. You enter AG mode only when you are ready.

 

As you can see this is a major change in the HUD/PCA functionality and it requires some time and testing to get it right.

So, what's the status on this @Zeus67?

[jojo]

To clarify, it seems that hitting "PCA select" while you have 530 selected creates a malfunction.

 

That is a logical problem. IRL you have a 3 positions paddle on the throttle.

- Left = Magic

- middle = return to PCA selection, in fact you exit from Magic or AA gun

- right = AA gun

 

Magic and AA gun have priority over PCA selection (self defense).

 

It's impossible IRL to "hit PCA select" while you have 530 selected.

 

It's a nasty bug, good finding.

[sunski34]

To clarify, it seems that hitting "PCA select" while you have 530 selected creates a malfunction.

 

That is a logical problem. IRL you have a 3 positions paddle on the throttle.

- Left = Magic

- middle = return to PCA selection, in fact you exit from Magic or AA gun

- right = AA gun

 

Magic and AA gun have priority over PCA selection (self defense).

 

It's impossible IRL to "hit PCA select" while you have 530 selected.

 

It's a nasty bug, good finding.

 

Exactly... you can select 530 on PCA when on AA gun priority. perhaps the same problem exits with Magic priority.

 

Thanks a lot for these explanations.

Sunski

[myHelljumper]

Temporary fix -> don't touch anything unless the last HOTAS select you touched is PCA select :).