Sundowner.pl Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 It's not the kilometers we need, its the hours that airplane can stay up, and there is difference if its 4 or 6.. or more. The operational costs eventually would be lower for the '39. But! The F-16 is already few (3?) times cheaper than MiG-29. Paying a bit more for running more capable aircraft is acceptable. Actually it could be possible to pay even more, if even more capable aircraft would be purchased (F-15SE, F-35 ?) and replaced that money guzzling MiGs. Taking a history lesson - the Sweden is not really a frontline country, and would be a pain in the... behind to invading, the '39 works great for them. For Poland, it simply won't work, here is a need for aircrafts that can fight fiercely and effectively, without any cover (SAMs go out on both sides first) and without numerical superiority. What is needed is powerful air superiority fighter, that can hold it's own in the air against both air and surface threats, and perform other missions like recce, precision strike and CAS. F-16 was the cheapest thing that can do that. It's the smallest platform practical, we can only go up from there. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
mvsgas Posted March 24, 2009 Posted March 24, 2009 Kusch , I try to re you but it would not let let me. Threat was death for what 6 months? ... Awesome man. Can you say:"necromancer" :D 1 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted March 24, 2009 Posted March 24, 2009 here is food for thought http://www.f-16.net/news_article3326.html To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Sundowner.pl Posted March 24, 2009 Posted March 24, 2009 That would be very unlikely from the US side. Though would benefit both USAFE and PolAF. If the USAF is afraid of the costs of building a base here... don't need to be. The 31 FW would easily go to Redzikowo (EPSK), that base is going to be modernized by the US DoD anyway if the NDB interceptors go there, and it have a nice 6600ft long runway. And it's few minutes flight from few proving grounds. If not that one, there are many other ex-Polish and ex-Soviet air bases thrown all across the country. Although, why Aviano AB is such a problem, and Spangdahlem AB not. Germany is getting as restricted, as Italy. In some aspects even more. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
EtherealN Posted March 24, 2009 Posted March 24, 2009 Taking a history lesson - the Sweden is not really a frontline country, and would be a pain in the... behind to invading, the '39 works great for them. With our fleet of 39's getting continually axed, the last full artillery regiment replaced with a battalion and the last airborne batallion being axed... I dunno. Soon almost anyone would be able to do it like Jesus, and win on walkover. :P UNLESS the old guarantees we had from the yanks are still good, but no clue on what's being said behind such closed doors. Though the roadbase infrastructure coupled with the 39's definitely would be a right pain in the behind for whomever decided to invade. Not that I know who would at this time - no-one wants to be made to take responsibility for a nation of whiners like us swedes. That can be our swiss defence. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Kusch Posted March 24, 2009 Posted March 24, 2009 Today delivered Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Shaman Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 LoL, we both know, that is not a glass cockpit, and way off of brand new ;) 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Shaman Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 Do you know their flight plan? I'd like to recreate it with my Captain Sim's C-130 :p 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
VMFA117_Poko Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 LoL, we both know, that is not a glass cockpit, and way off of brand new ;)That's what I meant ;).
nscode Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 At least it's freshly painted :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
topol-m Posted March 27, 2009 Posted March 27, 2009 Kusch you`re killing me with these photos, not just in this thread btw. Great quality. The hot gases look amazing (that mig is like firing up the runway). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
gigz-on Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Very beautiful planes!:thumbup::) Amazing! My YouTube Channel:
sniffer Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 OK - my favourite Air Forces needs to be filled up by me ;-) Let's start: Standard duty our Fulcrums today My favourite evil eye ;-) Racing with bird: Cheerful Viper driver (hint: slip caption - "Regards to spotters") And few for those who don't like when I land on road (in LO of course :)): - Before touchdown on road (yea yea - our roads are totally crap) - after touchdown... - maintenance - taxiing - and let's go! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Do you guys have some cockpit photos of the new F-16s? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sniffer Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 It's top secret data man ;) In fact - I saw one time on our local spotters page but airbase HQ ask for take down photos (don't know reason). After taking down didn't see anymore... but I'll try to sniff something cause I remember that it was really interesting thing (normally I prefer birds which are from our eastern side :P) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 normally I prefer birds which are from our eastern side :P) Me too. :) But secret stuff is so interesting... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
gigz-on Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Me too. :) But secret stuff is so interesting... You didn't ever see their cockpits?:huh: My YouTube Channel:
sniffer Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Did little recon and it will be a problem with this cockpit but maybe friends from PL put something here :) Of course if I find it - I'll post it :yes: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
gigz-on Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Nice aircraft - F-16, but western... I found some at airliners.net... My YouTube Channel:
Kusch Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Not secret ;) 1 Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
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