Viggen Grond Handling

[Weegie]

Oops I meant GROUND

 

I love the Viggen, it's just the best jet out there, the harrier may give it some competition for my affections, but it's just such a great module

 

So apart from the latest bug which is making take off and landing a bit tricky, one of the things I find that is annoying is the ground handling.

 

I'm not questioning the flight model but it seems to need a helluva lot of throttle to get moving then it take off down the taxi way like a scalded cat. Do not get me wrong it's controllable but seems unrealistic to me.

 

The steering also seems very sensitive and I recall that when it was relaesed it was stated that it was overdone, maybe I'm too much of a clutz to notice but it still seems like you blow on the rudders in a take off role and it wants to take a sharp right or left

 

Just me?

[thrustvector]

dunno about take off and landing, I have always found it to be the easiest jet I have flown, can land anywhere with eyes closed, I do agree it seems to take a lot of power on take off but fully loaded she gets there so quick, and I never get a roll out.

providing I set the nose up before I go.

steering is sensitive though, mind you I haven't tipped it over like I did in the harrier :)

wasn't the bug just in the open beta?

[Weegie]

I agree it sure is robust and pretty easy to land

 

It's more the taxi I find odd, in some of the multiplayer servers I'm always getting warnings for fast taxi, it's the throttle required to get it moving, like its stuck on the brakes................then BANG.............we are off like rocket down the taxiway.

 

I now have a 20% curve on the rudders to make the steering input more controllable

 

You're right that the current bug is only in the Beta I believe

 

They are minor niggles for sure I just thought I'd ask to see if anybody had a solution or how they controlled it

 

On the taxi way I'm on and off the throttle like I'm sawing wood

 

It is an absolutely GREAT module delighted it came to DCS, current fave of all the jets, so farsighted of Heatblur to model it

Edited January 27, 2018 by Weegie

[Knock-Knock]

I dont think its a module specific problem with ground handling, its more a DCS thing, their tyre model. Feels like it has little to no slip angle, and limited amount of load sensitivity changes, so inputs are instant.

If you think about it, sim racing genre have massive code and spend huge amounts of time and effort in getting their tire models somewhat accurate.

That said, if that is the case, a little more depth in the DCS tires shouldnt be a big task. Some simple stuff in place can still get it a long way.

 

So much weight on a single tire, and their sidewalls are massive. That alone Id guess would give a lot of flex, before the tire tread actually starts pointing in the direction the rim is pointing, and then add the slip angle on top.

[thrustvector]

ah yea sorry I see what you mean, its like the brakes are a bit jammed on and you need to throttle up to get them to unlock.....maybe its a safety feature :)

[illern]

ah yea sorry I see what you mean, its like the brakes are a bit jammed on and you need to throttle up to get them to unlock.....maybe its a safety feature :)

 

If you are talking about the first time you throttle up to get going then you know you have to release the parking brakes?

It is on from the start and you need to tap wheelbrakes to release them.

There is a bug that doesn´t show the parking brake handle in it´s on position when you spawn the aircraft despite that the parking brakes are on.

 

/illern

[Weegie]

Thanks & I'm aware of that and cycle the wheelbrakes, although for me it seems to make little difference.

 

I'll need to try a short experiment

 

Not knowing if the position of the brake is on or off is annoying too & it's been like that a long long time too

[reilar]

You can use RCtrl+Enter to check you control input.

[Holton181]

I have noticed this glued-to-the-ground behavior too. But it's really only an issue from standstill. If I have only the slightest velocity, in any direction, it's responsive to the throttle, and I can go pretty slow.

I believe it's due to limitations in the wheel modeling as mentioned before.

What I do to get going is to give the throttle a bigg push and immediately pull it back. The short thrust peak results in forward (or backward for that matter) movement and gentle adjustments to the throttle will keep my speed where I want it.

[Weegie]

I have noticed this glued-to-the-ground behavior too. But it's really only an issue from standstill. If I have only the slightest velocity, in any direction, it's responsive to the throttle, and I can go pretty slow.

I believe it's due to limitations in the wheel modeling as mentioned before.

What I do to get going is to give the throttle a bigg push and immediately pull it back. The short thrust peak results in forward (or backward for that matter) movement and gentle adjustments to the throttle will keep my speed where I want it.

 

Thanks, I do use something similar but obviously not so skilled to keep it taxing slow and smooth

 

It's not a huge issue really but when you spawn inside a hanger and require a 90 deg turn it can get quite exciting

 

For some reason I find the Viggen the worst, it could be perceived or it could be because it applies great gobs of thrust exacerbating the situation no clue

 

Just glad I'm not going crazy and others noticed it too