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Quote: "Unfortunatly theres not much you could do for altitude dependent AIM-120 trail efects in the game,"

 

Actually all the logic is in game to correctly add contrails to missiles. The effect is there & the 'switches' for controlling it already exist - try flying at altitude, hit 'h' & turn off your engines. When the get to about 10% the contrail disappears, start the engines back up & they re-appear. Exactly what you want to have happen with missiles, and at exactly the right altitudes.

 

It all doesn't make much difference now, but when there's WAFM on the AAM's & people are more incentivised to fly at altitude, no contrails on the aim-120 will give it a distinct (unfair) advantage...

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That is programed for planes, not missiles. You would have to alter the logic for all missiles. Besides the real AMRAAM doesnt do trail altitude dependent. It does at all altitudes.

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It all doesn't make much difference now, but when there's WAFM on the AAM's & people are more incentivised to fly at altitude, no contrails on the aim-120 will give it a distinct (unfair) advantage...

 

 

It will take a -lot- more than WAFM to give people incentive to fly at altitude. Like advanced guidance and seeker. Until the trails for the AMRAAMs can be made properly low-vis, as it is /supposed/ to be, I don't see the point. I've seen AMRAAMs leave vapor trails, and I've seen them *not* do so either.

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That is programed for planes, not missiles. You would have to alter the logic for all missiles. Besides the real AMRAAM doesnt do trail altitude dependent. It does at all altitudes.

 

Not from the video I posted. Sure it leaves a faint white trail at low altitudes, like the ground, but its not nearly as bad as at high altitude. The F-22 was nearly completely covered by the contrail. Huge difference at altitude.

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Originally Posted by Pilotasso

"That is programed for planes, not missiles."

 

Contrails are programmed to appear for planes thats motors' are running while between altitude a & altitude b - ie triggered by the presence of a running motor & specific altitude.

The missiles have motors (that trigger thrust when they're running & don't when they're not, & so are quite capable of being used as triggers for the same logic as the plane contrails - just another 'while this call that' statement).

When they're between altitude a & altitude b they also should produce contrails - all missiles should rather - all running motors should.

 

Originally Posted by GG

" Until the trails for the AMRAAMs can be made properly low-vis, as it is /supposed/ to be, I don't see the point. "

 

It has nothing to do with the standard trails, other than that in the interests of reality AMRAAMS should have faint trails at lower altitude, and in the interests of reality there should be contrails on all missiles at altitude while their motor is running - simple as that

 

Just out of curiosity - GG or Pilotasso - because both of you seem to feel that it's more important for realism's sake to replace the present invisible AMRAAM trail at low altitude with an almost invisible one, than it is to give missiles contrails at altitude - did either one of you watch the video prophet linked to?

I think EVERY clip shown of the launch of an AMRAAM by the f-22 that didn't cut away just as the motor ignited & many of the launches by other planes had the AMRAAM developing a contrail that within seconds was thick enough to almost completely obscure the launching plane...

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Out of curiosity, have you watched clips of -other- AMRAAM launches? Not quite so low-altitude, and no contrail whatsoever, either.

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I have - and even some of the launches in that particular clip surprised me in that they appeared to be at high altitude, but no contrails from the missile - then again no contrail from the plane either, which is the crucial point I guess.

If the plane is creating a contrail, the missile will too, if it's not (regardless of the altitude) the missile won't either.

Given that in LO the planes always produce contrails between specific altitude, the missiles should too to be both consistant - and 'more' realistic.

Cheers.

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Atmoshperic conditions determine a lot of that.

 

I think it would be very good for all missiles to have contrails at high altitude. If you think about it, its not actually gonna give you much though. You will see it coming at first, but by the time its close enough to matter, its motor will be out anyways.

 

Might give just a bit better cueing for evasion. But I honestly dont think it will change anything.

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just search on youtube for aim-120, there's a nice compilation of launches (first hit in the search).

 

Where can one find clips of AMRAAM launches? Furthermore, where can one find clips of R-27, R-77, and R-73 launches?
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