NY3D Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 I have noticed that many countries have the Mig29 in their arsenal, I cant blame them,it's a superb fighter.How do these countries,that are'nt exactly in good terms with the Soviet Union,purchase replacement parts.Example: East Germany,once a communist country,now is united with the west(And so is everything thats flies,drives,and in their arsenal.)How do they manage to get parts??The Soviet Union kinda got them by the balls, correct?? How exactly does this work.:book: Thanx for the input :thumbup:
thesystem Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Ehh, you can reproduce them because you have a good part that is working? DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
pschelchshorn Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 by the way, the german airforce does not operate the mig anymore. Flip "Imagine the reason that people hold on to hatred so stubbornly is because if the hate is removed, the pain will set in. Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
nscode Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 by the way, the Soviet Union doesn't exist any more either lol Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Kusch Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Germany ''sale'' all MiG-29 to Poland. http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=8955 Poland service all MiG-29 in Polish WZL-2 plant (And service RD-33 engine) Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Aeroscout Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Ya, too bad. Atleast there getting the typhoon. that's like the european equivilant of the F-22. (but without stealth.) DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
thesystem Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Well here in holland we get the JSF.....i would more like the Eurofighter.....:smilewink: DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
pschelchshorn Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Ya, too bad. Atleast there getting the typhoon. LoL..at least?! Man the mig was no use to us, only to the hot shot nato pilots that needed to fight migs and pilots that were trained in the east to fly the thing. Its got no value, period. Its an old airframe. The Typhoon is the best multirole aircraft you can have from european development. Flip "Imagine the reason that people hold on to hatred so stubbornly is because if the hate is removed, the pain will set in. Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
Aeroscout Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 True. sorry if i got you mad. I didn't intend to. I also assume the typhoon will be an excelent dogfighter. Like the marige, it hase Delta wings and thus will have an excelent turn rate/radius. (Am I right, I dont want to speek too soon. I'm made that mistake one too many times.lol) DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Force_Feedback Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Yes you are, it will turn on a dime. And right about now some F-1* fanbois will come in saying 'corner speed' 'vertical' and 'energy management' (aka excuses to counter inherent bad maneuvrability) Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
GGTharos Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Why would you say anything like that when you know you're facing a 'double advantage' aircraft? But hey. F-22 pwns Typhoon ;) *stokes fire* [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Aeroscout Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 ...But hey. F-22 pwns Typhoon... ... In BVR. not in a knife fight. Not that it matters. I dont think we'll be having any real fights between Europe and the USA. (lets hope not atleast.) it would however, be interesting to see the result of such a training excercise. :music_whistling: DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
pschelchshorn Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 i think they complement eachother very well. I didnt get mad Scout ;). Flip "Imagine the reason that people hold on to hatred so stubbornly is because if the hate is removed, the pain will set in. Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
GGTharos Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 ... In BVR. not in a knife fight. Not that it matters. I dont think we'll be having any real fights between Europe and the USA. (lets hope not atleast.) it would however, be interesting to see the result of such a training excercise. :music_whistling: AIM-9X, vectored thrust ... I don't think you can really say 'not in a knife fight' when such things are present :) But you're right, maybe it doesn't 'pwn' in that case, they're more or less well matched ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Force_Feedback Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Ever seen a M-2000 video? Well, the Typhoon is better, and no frickin F-16 can even get it in the front hemisphere. The Rafale is good too, but has two tiny little weak engines more suitable for a supersonic trainer than a multirole aircraft. The thing with manoeuvrability is that with the current missile technology there is little need for it, however, a more agile carrier will get a lock and a shot faster than some plane that depends on 'energy management' Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
pschelchshorn Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 AIM-9X, vectored thrust ... I don't think you can really say 'not in a knife fight' when such things are present :) But you're right, maybe it doesn't 'pwn' in that case, they're more or less well matched ;) Youre gonna go ahead with saying "SHOW ME SOURCES" when i say this but BEAT THE IRIS-T with your lousy AIM-9X. :D Flip "Imagine the reason that people hold on to hatred so stubbornly is because if the hate is removed, the pain will set in. Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
GGTharos Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Ever seen a M-2000 video? Well, the Typhoon is better, and no frickin F-16 can even get it in the front hemisphere. The Rafale is good too, but has two tiny little weak engines more suitable for a supersonic trainer than a multirole aircraft.- Yes I have, it was from the HUD tape of an F-16 holding a lock on the Mirage's tail pipe? ... The thing with manoeuvrability is that with the current missile technology there is little need for it, however, a more agile carrier will get a lock and a shot faster than some plane that depends on 'energy management' You mean like ohhh, say like an aircraft that can hold a 60 deg AoA in its turn? :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Youre gonna go ahead with saying "SHOW ME SOURCES" when i say this but BEAT THE IRIS-T with your lousy AIM-9X. :D Flip Well, unlike LO, you can't really shoot an Iris-T with an AIM-9X or vice versa, so I don't know whatyou're talking about ;) At the ranges those missiles are used, I'm not convinced there's any useful difference. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Aeroscout Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Yes I have, it was from the HUD tape of an F-16 holding a lock on the Mirage's tail pipe? ... Id like to see that video DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
thesystem Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Well, to get back to the M-29 A good book for all of us is this one: Famous Russian Aircraft Series By Yefim Gordon Mikoyan MiG-29 511 pages with just MIG-29! ISBN:1-85780-231-4 Great pictures with good detail...like the external fueltank with the APU hole in it...never saw it before.... That writer is also writing about the MiG-21 and the SU-27...but they arn't released yet :( He also wrote a book about the Su-25 and about the MiG-31 Here's the link: http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=48519 DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
GGTharos Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 1:00 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Aeroscout Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 1:00 What was that trying to show exactally? What was the "overlapping?" where they trying to prove something about the video? DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
GGTharos Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 I don't know - ingnore the comments, they're propaganda. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
-flanker- Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Well, unlike LO, you can't really shoot an Iris-T with an AIM-9X or vice versa, so I don't know whatyou're talking about ;) At the ranges those missiles are used, I'm not convinced there's any useful difference. afair IRIS-T is based on a AIM-9 with an "improved" search-head Сами не летаем и вам не советуем. Войска ПВО
GGTharos Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 I'm thinking they were, all I saw in the Hellenic AF HUD videos were snapshots, and high aspect shots. The Turks always seemed to be right in the cone though, with kill shots. I'm thinking the maker of the video might be a little biased. :D Hey, high aspect fights ain't easy; anyway AFAIK it's just one propaganda machine working a little better than another ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
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