How do you use AMG65E when JTAC tells you line1/2/3 N/A

[phil106ci]

With AMG65E, when JTAC tells lines 1/2/3 N/A, my missile uncaged does not find the target whatever my heading is or even if I enter a code 1111 or 1688... what am I missing ?

Edited January 3, 2019 by phil106ci

[Ramsay]

You won't find the JTAC's laser until "mark by laser" and "lasing"

 

The JTAC sequence for the Quick Start training mission "Caucasus FA-18C AGM-65E Maverick Practice" is:

 

(Radio to JTAC frequency 131.000 MHz)

• Player: JTAC - finger11, Check-in 30min, what do you have for us.

• JTAC (Finger11): Enfield 1-1, this is finger 1-1, type 2 in effect. Advise when ready for 9-line

• Player: Ready to copy

• JTAC (Finger11): line is as follows

1, 2, 3 N/A

[4. Elevation: ]3 feet MSL

[5. Target: ]APC

[6. Coordinates: ]GG176760

[7. ]Marked by laser, 1688 <----- *** NOTE: IF THE JTAC SAYS No mark, he isn't going to lase the target ***

[8. Friendlies: ]northeast 450 meters, troops in contact

[9. ]Egress east

• JTAC (Finger11): advise when ready for remarks and further talk-on

• Player: Ready to copy remarks

• JTAC (Finger11):

request AGM-65E

partly cloudy sky, cloud base 13000 feet MSL

• Player: 9-line read back

• JTAC (Finger11): readback correct

• JTAC (Finger11): report IP INBOUND

• Player: IP INBOUND

• JTAC (Finger11): Enfield 1-1, CONTINUE

• Player: Laser ON

• JTAC (Finger11): Lasing <----- *** JTAC's Laser is ON and detectable ***

(Uncage LMAV to spot lase)

• Player: Spot

• Player: IN from the xxx

• JTAC(Finger11): 'Cleared HOT!'

(fire LMAV when in range and break off)

• JTAC(Finger11): Enfield 1-1, target destroyed

 

sequence then repeats -

• JTAC (Finger11): Enfield 1-1, this is finger 1-1, type 2 in effect. Advise when ready for 9-line

... etc.

Edited January 3, 2019 by Ramsay
Add Quick Start JTAC sequence

[phil106ci]

Thank you Ramsay for this detailed explanation

I have to try it again because I did not notice that the JTAC tells "report IP INBOUND" , I just have a radio choice from "mission completed" to "mission impossible" … So, I'll fly it again and confirm that

Thank you again

[bfr]

Also make sure you're not hitting responses whilst the JTAC is still talking. There's a point around the 9 line being read out where you can prematurely declare IP Inbound but it sends you down a dead end in terms of the radio interaction logic (the correct response doesn't come up on the list until it's finished talking and will never come up if you cut it off).

[Sandman1330]

Also note that in order to lase he must give you a Type II (or Type I, though I’ve never seen this in DCS). A Type III he expects you to identify and engage the targets in your own, usually because he can’t see them, so you won’t get a lase.

 

Based on your description of the radio items available to you, it sounds like he is giving you a Type III.

Edited January 3, 2019 by Sandman1330

[phil106ci]

Thanks Sandman1330, that was the answer, JTAC is telling me type III but requires AMG65E... so, how do I activate the missile in this case ?

[Sandman1330]

Thanks Sandman1330, that was the answer, JTAC is telling me type III but requires AMG65E... so, how do I activate the missile in this case ?

 

Until we get a targeting pod, you can’t without a friend in a Harrier or A10 to lase for you.

 

You’ll need to modify the mission to get the JTAC closer and/or give him line of sight to the target. Also make sure he’s in a platform that has the capability to lase. Predator/reaper works well, as they have good LoS and can lase.

[phil106ci]

ok Sandman, you are my favorite teacher, thanks a lot for all these precisions

[phil106ci]

Just for info, my JTAC/Infantry M4 is 1237 ft high on a platform, 1.904nm from the SAM he is spying looking in the right direction as the SAM is 676 ft high …. no trees, no nothing, anyway I'll follow your good advices and put him closer - poor guy, he'll be in great danger lol - even if the mission editor says that he is able to provide laser illumination

[freehand]

The Predator in orbit always works for me.

[phil106ci]

ok freehand thanks, I'll use this one

[Sandman1330]

Just for info, my JTAC/Infantry M4 is 1237 ft high on a platform, 1.904nm from the SAM he is spying looking in the right direction as the SAM is 676 ft high …. no trees, no nothing, anyway I'll follow your good advices and put him closer - poor guy, he'll be in great danger lol - even if the mission editor says that he is able to provide laser illumination

 

Yeah, I believe infantry M4 doesn’t have the ability to lase. He should but doesn’t.

[phil106ci]

Good to know , thanks Sandman

[Eagle7907]

How do you use AMG65E when JTAC tells you line1/2/3 N/A

 

Yes they do. It doesn’t work at night hours though.

Bugged.

 

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