sharkfin61 Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 Maybe the pitbuilders corner was too special for this question and someone of the broader pulic knows an answer: From the very start, I've been flying the A-10C, FA-18C (Falcon F-16 earlier) with my TM Cougar, later with my TM Warthog , always with a grip twist of about 15° counterclockwise. It still feels very natural for me. But after scanning through some youtube movies, I saw a guy (Sting TV, installing an Virpil extension in his FA-18 cockpit, while also having that stick twist to the left. So far, so good. What made me think, was the F-18 stick handle he showed at 0:21. The grip itself was twisted, but the part that connects to the base was straight. That gives the impression, that steering input is still aligned with the "cardinal" axis of the plane. Finally, here is my question: is the movement of the A-10 (where the stick is also twisted to fit the ergonomic needs of a center stick) still straight forward and perpendicular to the length axis of the airframe or does the whole stick need to be moved at those counterclockwise 15° ? I hope I could make clear, what troubles my mind Loads do it on the fly! Royal Bavarian Airforce all the way RIG: RYZEN 7 5800X3D~ ZOTAC 4080 Super ~ AORUS X570S Elite AX ~64 GB Corsair Venegance DDR-4 3600 ~ BeQuiet AIO Silent loop 2 360 watercooled ~ Samsung 890 Pro M.2 (2TB) + 870 EVO (1TB) SSD ~ WIN 10 64-bit ~ AOC 31.5" Gaming 144Hz Display ~ DelanClip@TrackIR 5 ~ TM Warthog no.2 ~Saitek rudder pedals~ 2 TM MFDs on 2nd 27"display ~ Buddyfox A-10 UFC ~ CDU/AAP panel via DCSBios ~ ARC-210 (soldering WIP) ~ QUEST 3
Deezle Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 If I gather what you're asking, the stick itself moves parallel and perpendicular with the aircraft, only the grip itself should be "canted". I think with the TMWH, if you don't have an extension to allow you to cant the grip, you can rotate the whole base and use the TARGET software to compensate for the base misalignment relative to the aircraft. Intel 9600K@4.7GHz, Asus Z390, 64GB DDR4, EVGA RTX 3070, Custom Water Cooling, 970 EVO 1TB NVMe 34" UltraWide 3440x1440 Curved Monitor, 21" Touch Screen MFD monitor, TIR5 My Pit Build, Moza AB9 FFB w/WH Grip, TMWH Throttle, MFG Crosswinds W/Combat Pedals/Damper, Custom A-10C panels, Custom Helo Collective, SimShaker with Transducer
sharkfin61 Posted January 26, 2019 Author Posted January 26, 2019 Thank you Deezle, as I already have an extension installed, I will have to turn back the base tomorrow. Already excited how my muscle-memory will react to that. Maybe just like a brand new start! Gesendet von iPad mit Tapatalk Loads do it on the fly! Royal Bavarian Airforce all the way RIG: RYZEN 7 5800X3D~ ZOTAC 4080 Super ~ AORUS X570S Elite AX ~64 GB Corsair Venegance DDR-4 3600 ~ BeQuiet AIO Silent loop 2 360 watercooled ~ Samsung 890 Pro M.2 (2TB) + 870 EVO (1TB) SSD ~ WIN 10 64-bit ~ AOC 31.5" Gaming 144Hz Display ~ DelanClip@TrackIR 5 ~ TM Warthog no.2 ~Saitek rudder pedals~ 2 TM MFDs on 2nd 27"display ~ Buddyfox A-10 UFC ~ CDU/AAP panel via DCSBios ~ ARC-210 (soldering WIP) ~ QUEST 3
sharkfin61 Posted January 27, 2019 Author Posted January 27, 2019 Worked extremely well. Thanks again! Loads do it on the fly! Royal Bavarian Airforce all the way RIG: RYZEN 7 5800X3D~ ZOTAC 4080 Super ~ AORUS X570S Elite AX ~64 GB Corsair Venegance DDR-4 3600 ~ BeQuiet AIO Silent loop 2 360 watercooled ~ Samsung 890 Pro M.2 (2TB) + 870 EVO (1TB) SSD ~ WIN 10 64-bit ~ AOC 31.5" Gaming 144Hz Display ~ DelanClip@TrackIR 5 ~ TM Warthog no.2 ~Saitek rudder pedals~ 2 TM MFDs on 2nd 27"display ~ Buddyfox A-10 UFC ~ CDU/AAP panel via DCSBios ~ ARC-210 (soldering WIP) ~ QUEST 3
KomandoKorndog Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 I just watched a video where someone did something like this. Don't remember who it was. The stick and base was Warthog, but the short extension (really just a piece of threaded pipe) was made by Virpil. The base didn't move. The axes all remained the same. The only thing that changed was the angle of the grip to make it more comfortable in the hand.
Emmy Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 I just started using Monstertech supports for my Warthog stick and throttle (finally have the stick between the knees instead of up on the desk) and through trial and error, I think I’m at about 10° of rotation counter clockwise so that pulling straight back stays in line with my forearm as my elbow rests on the arm of my chair. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com
sharkfin61 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) I just watched a video where someone did something like this. Don't remember who it was. The stick and base was Warthog, but the short extension (really just a piece of threaded pipe) was made by Virpil. ... Yes, I guess that was the video, I mentioned in the first post, STING TV is the name of the channel. After turning back my stick base and adjusting the grip to about 12° couunterclockwise, it still feels right and natural, my movements are adopting very quick. the degree of rotation may differ a bit with the distance between the body and stick/ shoulder width. I just started using Monstertech supports for my Warthog stick and throttle (finally have the stick between the knees instead of up on the desk) and through trial and error, I think I’m at about 10° of rotation counter clockwise so that pulling straight back stays in line with my forearm as my elbow rests on the arm of my chair. That's the way I flew for the last couple of years, it felt good as well. Edited February 1, 2019 by sharkfin61 Loads do it on the fly! Royal Bavarian Airforce all the way RIG: RYZEN 7 5800X3D~ ZOTAC 4080 Super ~ AORUS X570S Elite AX ~64 GB Corsair Venegance DDR-4 3600 ~ BeQuiet AIO Silent loop 2 360 watercooled ~ Samsung 890 Pro M.2 (2TB) + 870 EVO (1TB) SSD ~ WIN 10 64-bit ~ AOC 31.5" Gaming 144Hz Display ~ DelanClip@TrackIR 5 ~ TM Warthog no.2 ~Saitek rudder pedals~ 2 TM MFDs on 2nd 27"display ~ Buddyfox A-10 UFC ~ CDU/AAP panel via DCSBios ~ ARC-210 (soldering WIP) ~ QUEST 3
cichlidfan Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 IIRC, the real aircraft has the stick at 15 degrees CCW. This should be true for any center mounted stick, IRL. However, an individual pit/person might find slightly different numbers to work well for them. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Sierra99 Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 https://www.shapeways.com/product/YWFQLYG9C/thrustmaster-tailpiece-13-deg-ang-15-deg-off?optionId=61170711 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970.
jeff64 Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 https://www.shapeways.com/product/YWFQLYG9C/thrustmaster-tailpiece-13-deg-ang-15-deg-off?optionId=61170711 hello just bought this shapeways extension, but I must admit : I don't know how or where install it. anyone have done it and can provide some explanations or pictures ? thank you
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