4c Hajduk Veljko Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 "the R-77 (RVV-AE) can be used effectively for attacking tactical aircraft making evasive manouvres with up to 12 Gs ..." Page 59, Soviet/Russian aircraft waepons since world war two by Yefim Gordon. Our own Flaming Cliffs manuals states the same target G numbers for R-77 (page 136). Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hajduk.....throw that book away! Link to Vympel website: http://vympeltor.com/produkt1.htm . Here is a quote of the RVV-AE section - relevant passages highlighted in red: РВВ-АЕ: ракета класса "воздух-воздух" Впервые в мире на ракете класса "воздух-воздух" используются решетчатые рули с электрическим приводом. Ракета обеспечивает поражение различных целей (высокоманевренных самолетов с перегрузкой до 9 g, крылатых ракет, ракет класса "поверхность-воздух" и "воздух-воздух", стратегических бомбардировщиков и вертолетов, включая поражение вертолетов в режиме зависания и другие цели) со всех направлений и ракурсов, днем и ночью, в простых и сложных метеоусловиях, при электронном противодействии, на фоне земной и водной поверхностей, по принципу "пустил-забыл", в том числе с многоканальным обстрелом. основные характеристики: стартовая масса - 175 кг длина - 3,6 м диаметр - 0,2 м размах крыльев - 0,4 м размах рулей - 0,7 м высота поражаемых целей - 0,02-25 км перегрузка поражаемых целей - до 9 g дальность пуска: максимальная в переднюю полусферу -80 км минимальная в заднюю полусферу -0,3 км система наведения - инерциальная с радиокоррекцией + активное радиолокационное самонаведение тип боевой части - стержневая + мультикумулятивная масса боевой части - 22,5 кг взрывательное усройство - лазерный неконтактный датчик цели двигательная установка - однорежимный РДТТ - JJ. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hajduk.....throw that book away!The Flaming Cliffs manual? :smartass: 1 Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Maybe one of them numbers is the seeker limit. Also, if I recall, when 12G is stated it's with a note "at short distances". Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 This info is not very usefull since the missile lead all the turns in anticipation and, since the actual G limit of the missiles airframe is much higher than a fighter, and that the missile travels at very different speed ranges, from mach 4 to little faster than the fighter in the end game, the G load not only varies alot for the missile with speed, but also the G load required to hit the target could be entirely different from the one the fighter is doing. A fighter doing 12 G's doesnt mean the missile is going to have to match that in pure porsuit. It could just cut the turn and hit it as easely as if it was flying straight, depending on the geometry of the fight. Equaly a fighter that is flying straight could require de missile to perform a 30G turn to hit it. So I dont think targets G is a very good measure for missile realibility. The seeker is often the weakest link. Hajduk maybe you would like to diversify and upgrade your aviation library. 1 [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 One other thing... it could be an export limit :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 Here is a quote of the RVV-AE section - relevant passages highlighted in red: - JJ.That is the quote for RVV-AE which is the export version of the R-77. What about the info for R-77? Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 That is the quote for RVV-AE which is the export version of the R-77. What about the info for R-77? They are the same;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 What about a two mode rocket for the R-27E®(T)(P)? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Scythe Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 This info is not very usefull since the missile lead all the turns in anticipation and, since the actual G limit of the missiles airframe is much higher than a fighter, and that the missile travels at very different speed ranges, from mach 4 to little faster than the fighter in the end game, the G load not only varies alot for the missile with speed, but also the G load required to hit the target could be entirely different from the one the fighter is doing. A fighter doing 12 G's doesnt mean the missile is going to have to match that in pure porsuit. It could just cut the turn and hit it as easely as if it was flying straight, depending on the geometry of the fight. Equaly a fighter that is flying straight could require de missile to perform a 30G turn to hit it. So I dont think targets G is a very good measure for missile realibility. The seeker is often the weakest link. Yup, that pretty much sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 What about a two mode rocket for the R-27E®(T)(P)? What do you mean, F_F?:huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 One other thing... it could be an export limit :) Thats a joke.......right? :) JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 something between a joke and spam :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 Please use this or open new thread (instead of R-27AE thread) to discuss details of R-77 missile. Thanks, BTW Since R-77 can be used against AA missiles, the real question is if aircraft radars are able to detect (and track) incoming AA or SAM missile? Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 This info is not very usefull since the missile lead all the turns in anticipation and, since the actual G limit of the missiles airframe is much higher than a fighter, and that the missile travels at very different speed ranges, from mach 4 to little faster than the fighter in the end game, the G load not only varies alot for the missile with speed, but also the G load required to hit the target could be entirely different from the one the fighter is doing. A fighter doing 12 G's doesnt mean the missile is going to have to match that in pure porsuit. It could just cut the turn and hit it as easely as if it was flying straight, depending on the geometry of the fight. Equaly a fighter that is flying straight could require de missile to perform a 30G turn to hit it. So I dont think targets G is a very good measure for missile realibility. The seeker is often the weakest link. Hajduk maybe you would like to diversify and upgrade your aviation library. exactly :thumbup: No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 What do you mean, F_F?:huh: Boost/sustain motor. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Boost/sustain motor. It's clear now;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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