request to add bomber B-52H

[wiliam47]

can you built plane bomber B-52H with the six crew cockpit

 

 

AGM-158 JASSM =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM#JASSM-Extended_Range_.28JASSM-ER.29

 

 

ADM-160 MALD =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD

 

 

AGM-69 SRAM =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-69_SRAM

 

 

AGM-109H/L Tomahawk =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile)

 

 

AGM-129 ACM =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_ACM

 

 

AGM-137 TSSAM =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-137_TSSAM

 

 

AGM-86 ALCM =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-86_ALCM

 

 

JDAM =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Direct_Attack_Munition

 

 

AGM-28 Hound Dog =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-28_Hound_Dog

 

 

ADM-20 Quail =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-20_Quail

 

 

AGM-154 =https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-154_Joint_Standoff_Weapon

 

 

AGM-142 have nap =https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM%E2%80%93142_Have_Nap

 

 

BACKGROUND

The Boeing B-52 Stratofortress is an American long-range, subsonic, jet-powered strategic bomber. The B-52 was designed and built by Boeing, which has continued to provide support and upgrades. It has been operated by the United States Air Force (USAF) since the 1950s. The bomber is capable of carrying up to 70,000 pounds (32,000 kg) of weapons, and has a typical combat range of more than 8,800 miles (14,080 km) without aerial refueling.

 

Beginning with the successful contract bid in June 1946, the B-52 design evolved from a straight wing aircraft powered by six turboprop engines to the final prototype YB-52 with eight turbojet engines and swept wings. The B-52 took its maiden flight in April 1952. Built to carry nuclear weapons for Cold War-era deterrence missions, the B-52 Stratofortress replaced the Convair B-36. A veteran of several wars, the B-52 has dropped only conventional munitions in combat. The B-52's official name Stratofortress is rarely used; informally, the aircraft has become commonly referred to as the BUFF (Big Ugly Fat F*cker).

 

The B-52 has been in active service with the USAF since 1955. As of December 2015, 58 were in active service with 18 in reserve. The bombers flew under the Strategic Air Command (SAC) until it was disestablished in 1992 and its aircraft absorbed into the Air Combat Command (ACC); in 2010 all B-52 Stratofortresses were transferred from the ACC to the newly created Air Force Global Strike Command (AFGSC). Superior performance at high subsonic speeds and relatively low operating costs have kept the B-52 in service despite the advent of later, more advanced aircraft, including the canceled Mach 3 B-70 Valkyrie, the variable-geometry B-1 Lancer, and the stealth B-2 Spirit. The B-52 completed sixty years of continuous service with its original operator in 2015. After being upgraded between 2013 and 2015, it is expected to serve into the 2040s. (Information via Wikipedia, Link below)

 

B-52 on Wikipedia

B-52 on Boeing's Website

B-52 on FAS.org

 

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS

 

B-52 Technical Specifications

 

* Primary Function: Heavy bomber

* Power Plant: 8 Pratt & Whitney engines TF33-P-3/103 turbofan

* Thrust: Each engine up to 17,000 lbs

* Wingspan: 185 ft (56.4 m)

* Length: 159 ft, 4 in (48.5 m)

* Height: 40 ft, 8 in (12.4 m)

* Weight: Approximately 185,000 lbs (83,250 kg)

* Max Takeoff Weight: 488,000 lbs (219,600 kg)

* Fuel Capacity: 312,197 lbs

* Payload: 70,000 lbs (31,500 kg)

* Speed: 650 mph (Mach 0.86)

* Range: 8,800 mi (7,652 nautical miles)

* Ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,150 m)

* Crew: 5 (aircraft commander, pilot, radar navigator, navigator and electronic warfare officer

* Initial operating capability: May 1961 (Current ‘H’ Model)

* Armament: Approximately 70,000 lbs (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance -- bombs, smart weapons, mines and missiles. Modified to carry air-launched cruise missiles and Miniature Air Launched Decoy.

 

 

PHOTOS

 

 

pods

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_Advanced_Targeting_Pod

http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/litening/Pages/default.aspx

 

 

http://www.airrecognition.com/images/stories/north_america/united-states/bomber_aircraft/b-52/B_52_Stratofortress_datasheet_640_technical_drawing_001.jpg

 

 

https://pre09.deviantart.net/2a2b/th/pre/f/2008/154/6/d/boeing_b_52_stratofortress_by_bagera3005.png

 

 

https://pre09.deviantart.net/2a2b/th/pre/f/2008/154/6/d/boeing_b_52_stratofortress_by_bagera3005.png

 

 

http://www.worldwide-military.com/Military%20Aircraft/US%20Bombers%20plaatjes/Groot/B-52H_006.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7a/89/bc/7a89bcb30c9192eb4fcdd55b84437166.jpg

 

 

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1B91/production/_84675070_memphisbell.jpg

 

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Boeing_B-52H_Stratofortress%2C_USA_-_Air_Force_AN1727064.jpg/1024px-Boeing_B-52H_Stratofortress%2C_USA_-_Air_Force_AN1727064.jpg

 

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/B-52_lower_deck.jpg/1024px-B-52_lower_deck.jpg

 

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/AGM-129_ACM_-_ID_DF-SD-99-05767.JPEG/452px-AGM-129_ACM_-_ID_DF-SD-99-05767.JPEG

 

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/JDAM_GBU30_MER.jpg/416px-JDAM_GBU30_MER.jpg

 

 

https://www.google.de/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj70sS1_JPjAhXCxIUKHW7ZBFwQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3jhZoSZGLe4&psig=AOvVaw1ERBawZwjW8nkQXQxn1U6s&ust=1562079127944445

 

 

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmNEQVtPv3xoKUAAPYgLbjtQnt0YTCmlLmAooCKH8dImvwo3eR

 

 

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTR4wJTqkqT8UmTY4Lldc0lOIeAxoFmDLtNWvQmdosdGGtwShyG

 

 

https://i.imgur.com/974Iu6a.jpg

 

 

http://www.ejectionsite.com/b52pix/fig1.gif

 

 

 

 

https://www.rikoooo.com/images/jdownloads/screenshots/fsx%202015-12-22%2021-57-48-85.jpg

 

 

https://www.google.de/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjd8dbc_ZPjAhUFfxoKHXqhDlwQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheaviationist.com%2F2012%2F12%2F24%2Fb52-radar-navigator%2F&psig=AOvVaw3NClAQEJC36j8WgpjFdDmk&ust=1562079389630398

 

 

VIDEOS

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUIDWTrkO4M

 

 

thanks you

[Fri13]

I don't see so much prliority on that kind aircrafts when we have so small maps to fly. Maybe in the future when we get world map so we can have airliners etc flying at the altitude and so on cruise hours between detailed maps

[sirrah]

Welcome to the forums William

 

There's a special sub forum for these kind of wishes (unless you specifically want Razbam to develop it).

 

You're not the first one to request for a B-52 module ;)

 

Personally I wouldn't be interested in 10 boring flight hours towards a target area, just to drop a few bombs.. or worst.. get shot down (the latter one would probably be applicable to me)

[Magot]

can you built plane bomber B-52H with the six crew cockpit

yeah its easy for 10 guys for + - 5 years of work. It will be cost + - one million dollars + -

No problem ...

Any next request?

[muamshai]

Edited July 5, 2019 by muamshai

[wiliam47]

can it help you?

B-52

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/boeing-b-52-stratofortress-bd63bc99f656475aa4e1dae71d407212

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/b-52-cockpit-3d-model/989397

https://www.c4dfree.com/b-52h-stratofortress/

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https://www.rikoooo.com/downloads/viewdownload/55/805

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/70747-retrofitting-3d-cockpit-to-b-52gh/

 

 

I may have asked that in the wrong place?

[sirrah]

I'm afraid you slightly underestimate the complexity of your request my friend :no:

Edited July 5, 2019 by sirrah
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[Demongornot]

Well I feel sad to break it for you, but there is really low chances it would happen.

This aircraft would require lot of dev time and it don't have a high demand, compared to other big aircraft like a B-1B for example who have more action oriented flight (low altitude) or even a KC-135 which allow for lot of fun/interactions refueling other aircrafts, others like the popular WW2 B-17 which is popular and allow for action as those were escorted (allowing to have better coop/interactions) and were often under attack, and with all the turrets and side guns allow for a lot of actions.

While the carpet bombing aspect seem pleasant, the B-52 will often fly for long route then drop bombs at high altitude and return to the base, there is little to do with it.

Though I agree that if a lot of peoples do rather regular fly of airliners in other sims which last for hours, this is far from unrealistic to get players to fly realistic missions with the B-52.

Also the number of crew stations there is mean a lot of development efforts.

 

Though the positive side is that the exterior 3D model of the B-52 is quite simple as it don't have many complexes curves like a B-1B for example, and it don't have many surfaces features (though it is still far from sleek) and the cockpit contain a lot of analog systems and gauges so it is less complex than a full glass cockpit and thanks to the 8 engines, many things are identical and would allow for copy/paste.

But it still have a lot of computer system from navigation to targeting, and the battle station would be far from easy to model accurately, it will also require complex AI for multiple stations at once.

Also the cockpit 3D model itself will already require lot of work, and the other crew stations even more.

 

So if you summarize all that you can guess it don't have lot of chances to happen.

 

And well, this is great and really nice from you to post links to help, but I think all DCS third party made their own 3D model and prefer to refer from official documentations and blueprint rather than others 3D models so they have accurate and realistic product, also all the exterior 3D model you posted have way too little details for the standard of DCS flyable aircraft, even AI aircraft have much more polygons than that in modern DCS.

The first link for example, the wheels are more square than round, the landing gear itself lack clearly details, even the engine pods are low poly.

The 3D cockpit model you posted look like it have lot of details, but I don't know how it compare to DCS, but it don't have other stations than the cockpit itself (the battle station lack all controls) and the textures would never be acceptable in DCS.

And you should know that the 3D model is not the most complex part of the development of DCS aircraft, it may be long but this isn't the most important part, flight model and avionic are far more important and complex.

Official documentation like the flight manual (which only serve as a base, lot of details are missing from it, additional docs are needed) would be more useful, but don't post it on the ED forum as this is against rule 1.16 which is really serious and enforced, because some data that are freely accessible on Internet may actually contain things the military don't really want to see spread and it make ED it a difficult position.

[wiliam47]

OK, I apologize for the publication of this sensitive information

[Demongornot]

OK, I apologize for the publication of this sensitive information

 

Don't worry you didn't do anything wrong, there links don't really contain anything sensitive, actually IMHO posting the links of the 3D models who are for other sims is closer to break the rule 1.15 (which forbid talking about other sims in this forum) than your links are to the rule 1.16, but I am not a moderator so its not for me to judge on that.

[Kev2go]

Also to note wasn't there a limition in the dcs Engine that prevents either ED or 3rd parties from developing flyable aircraft that have more than 2 engines?

 

In any case, if there arent ( or weren't ) any technical limitations i would say that someone should make a bomber. DCS is full of Fighters, tactical fighters/ Fighter bombers, and a few attackers from various era's but lacks any actual bomber class aircraft. Its a void thats left unfilled.

Edited July 7, 2019 by Kev2go