scotth6 Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) Hi, I feel like I am not understanding something. I have gone through the training missions for the Hornet, and I have been practicing to try and get my bombing more accurate, but I can't get my head around one thing. Why are specific profiles required for CCIP bombing mode? Why is CCIP inaccurate when these profiles are not flown? As far as I understood in the past, CCIP was a near automatic targeting mode where the "computer" calculated the impact point (hence the name "CCIP") and took the aircraft's altitude, speed, weapon type etc in to account to make the calculations, and then displayed the target impact point on the HUD, so the pilot did not have to make so many calculations or observations. If I have to fly profiles, I may as well be bombing in manual mode. Am I missing something here? Cheers, Edited August 4, 2019 by scotth6
Preendog Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 I don't know of any special steps to get accuracy in CCIP. I bomb angles from vertical to almost level, any altitude and speed, and never had any trouble getting hits (except the odd case where there is a huge wind difference between altitudes). That being said, a lot of the weapons are currently bugged. Tried CBUs, could never get them to reliably hit. Even when they do fall right, they usually don't kill the target. Retarded bombs are totally non-functional. Whether you use RET or FF the impact point shown is the same, and neither is correct. After this back luck I don't bother with any of the special bombs until they are fully developed. Do you have luck with MK82/83/84? You should be able to get a near 100% hit rate if you line up and pickle carefully.
scotth6 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Posted August 4, 2019 It's funny you should mention CBUs, as they are the munitions I was initially having trouble with and the reason I specifically started training on bombing procedures. During the training mission for CBUs it is stated that you need to fly a profile of something like a dive angle of 30 degrees, at 500 knots, and release at 2500 feet. Flying this profile I have had success with the CBUs. I have then been flying the instant mission "Weapons practice" where you are loaded with a number of unguided weapons. Flying the correct profile for the CBUs gives me good hits, but as I have not remembered the correct profile (or if there was one) for the other unguided bombs, I have been relying purely on the HUD display in CCIP mode, and this has been really hit and miss. I will pickle when the cross is directly on the target and sometimes the bomb has been landing 100m past or short of the target. I have also had direct hits. This is where my issue lies. The CCIP targeting does not appear to be accurate with all speeds, altiitudes and angles.
Mule Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) Hi, I feel like I am not understanding something. I have gone through the training missions for the Hornet, and I have been practicing to try and get my bombing more accurate, but I can't get my head around one thing. Why are specific profiles required for CCIP bombing mode? Why is CCIP inaccurate when these profiles are not flown? As far as I understood in the past, CCIP was a near automatic targeting mode where the "computer" calculated the impact point (hence the name "CCIP") and took the aircraft's altitude, speed, weapon type etc in to account to make the calculations, and then displayed the target impact point on the HUD, so the pilot did not have to make so many calculations or observations. If I have to fly profiles, I may as well be bombing in manual mode. Am I missing something here? Cheers, The target impact point still relies (in real life) on many other variables. Pilots going through weapons training have the same issues as you have. The system is not a "point here it will hit here". They have a competition to see who can get the closest to a target on any given range day. Which tells you that you aint gonna get 100% all the time pin point accuracy (they still struggle with LGB's) although it can be interpreted in that way as you say. The best results come from a steeper angle of dive. So say your doing a drop at 30 degrees try 50 and see the difference in accuracy. Your approach and setup needs just as much practice as the actual delivery too. Edited August 4, 2019 by Mule Fighter Pilot Podcast.
donkeyrider Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 I've gotten good results with CCIP flying 500knots @ 500 ft AGL. I don't believe this is realistic at all so if may be of limited value to you. I remember hearing a F18 pilot say that they mainly use AUTO as less chance of error.
Preendog Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 The system is not a "point here it will hit here". But that's exactly the thing. CCIP -is- a magic aimpoint for the regular bombs in this game. 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, it goes right where the cross is except for player error and wind. It's only the weird bombs that have problems. People with more patience than me have found patterns in the inaccuracy that suggests it is due to bugs, rather than random drift (like all bombs of a type landing short, or always long, etc). Then the retarded bombs, which do not work at all. CCIP with GP bombs works fine, as shown in video. Other bombs should be brought on this level, or implement a proper inaccuracy system that applies to all weapons equally. For now I don't see any other recourse than to just avoid the bombs that don't work.
Mule Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) But that's exactly the thing. CCIP -is- a magic aimpoint for the regular bombs in this game. 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, it goes right where the cross is except for player error and wind. It's only the weird bombs that have problems. People with more patience than me have found patterns in the inaccuracy that suggests it is due to bugs, rather than random drift (like all bombs of a type landing short, or always long, etc). Then the retarded bombs, which do not work at all. CCIP with GP bombs works fine, as shown in video. Other bombs should be brought on this level, or implement a proper inaccuracy system that applies to all weapons equally. For now I don't see any other recourse than to just avoid the bombs that don't work. I agree. I was just making a point that in real life these bombs in CCIP are not pin point accurate weapons. I get superb results within the simulation. I don't know if it's a bug or not. Great video btw. The choice of music was spot on. Edited August 4, 2019 by Mule Fighter Pilot Podcast.
scotth6 Posted August 6, 2019 Author Posted August 6, 2019 Thank you all for the good advice and feedback. It does seem to be the retarted bombs which are impacting way short or long of the target, even when using them as slicks. I have been having good results with the CBUs, although, as I posted in my initial post above I need to fly a profile to get these accurate results. The MK82/83/84 seem to be fairly accurate. I like your video Preendog, and as Mule said the music was great. Cheers,
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