gholi Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) Hi mates, I would like to share my experience about these two rudder pedals in the same range of price, the Thrustmaster TPR versus Slaw Device RX Viper V2 as I own both I have bought the TM TPR a few months ago and received the Slaw Device’s RX Viper V2 about 10 days ago, so by comparing them I hope to bring some contribution and help to choose the right one for those of you who try to find the BEST ONE, with DCS modules F/A18- especially F14 and F16 in a near future . As you may all know, a good pair of rudder pedals are very important to perform all combat manoeuvres as well as carrying out landings carrier, keep level in turning ….etc. and you name it, also all helis pilots Thrustmaster TPR Hard to install and find a suitable position Poor electronics parts Poor alloy, hollow metal with pedals poor aluminium grade alloy. Not so precise and nor fast responsiveness in performing all kind of manoeuvres So not definitely worth 500 euros Slaw Device’s RX Viper V2 Very easy to install 20 minutes including damper, I’m not a DIY person The prices is slightly higher, while if Thrustmaster wanted to sell the same, would ask 3 to 4 times more at least, A handcrafted, masterpiece of the part though Very precise, I know what I ‘m saying because I own other rudders as well By far higher electronics parts The mechanical movement is brilliant, due to excellent engineering Bottom line: Slaw Device’s RX Viper V2 the best of all time, top of the line rudder pedals Edited September 21, 2019 by gholi
SGT Coyle Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 I must say your comparisons don't delve to deep into detail. I half tempted to report this as advertising. But, I'd like to know what makes the electronics of SLAW better than TPR? Night Ops in the Harrier IYAOYAS
gholi Posted September 21, 2019 Author Posted September 21, 2019 I must say your comparisons don't delve to deep into detail. I half tempted to report this as advertising. But, I'd like to know what makes the electronics of SLAW better than TPR? First of all, I have fully paid both my rudders my, I do not need to advertise, unlike others who review on their Youtube channel in order to receive items free of charge, except some few professional well-known, trustworthy....etc reviewers. I just wanted to share my experience, you are totally free to believe me or not, try you will see, how this rudder works. Moreover, I did not know this rudder since I saw it for the first time in this very same forum and ordered them. I was so impressed by this rudder that for the first time I wanted to share, that's all
GriffonBR Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 Well, I jumped from the VKB Mk3 to the TPR and felt that my abilities to control the planes and helicopters improved a lot. The only thing that I can't make it work right it's the same amount of pressure on both toe brakes, sometimes I apply more input on the right or in the left brake, but it's manageable and since the VKB olny had virtual toe brakes I need to get used to it. It's big and heavier and some parts look real solid but of course the Slaws are way better, but I think that you need to mount them on the floor right? The initial adjustments that you have to do it's really a PITA but once you find the right position for the pedals and for the springs you just leave it there and it's over. It's not the BEST PEDALS OF ALL TIME, but if you don't like to wait for custom stuff it's the best set on the market right now. By Tapatalk + Samsung S9 Intel 8700K@4.7ghz(all cores) / 32Gb DDR4 /WD Black SN750 Heatsink 500gb (DCS Only) / MSI GeForce RTX 2070 GAMING Z 8G / Windows 10 PRO / VPC WarBRD Base + Warthog Stick + Foxx Mount / Thrustmaster TPR pedals / Thustmaster MFD / Thrustmaster Warthog throttle + Monstertech chair mount
FoxTwo Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 I mean, a bespoke hand built device with a wait time is better than a mass produced unit that you can just go buy at a store. I'm not terribly surprised. But I also think the TPR is pretty good for what it is. Not to mention it's available at around $450 USD (at least when I got mine) compared to ~$700 for the slaw (shipped). Comparing apples to oranges imo.
SGT Coyle Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 he only thing that I can't make it work right it's the same amount of pressure on both toe brakes, sometimes I apply more input on the right or in the left brake, but it's manageable and since the VKB olny had virtual toe brakes I need to get used to it. I found that a little dead zone on the extremes eliminated this issue. Night Ops in the Harrier IYAOYAS
GriffonBR Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 I found that a little dead zone on the extremes eliminated this issue.Thanks man, I'll give it a try :) By Tapatalk + Samsung S9 Intel 8700K@4.7ghz(all cores) / 32Gb DDR4 /WD Black SN750 Heatsink 500gb (DCS Only) / MSI GeForce RTX 2070 GAMING Z 8G / Windows 10 PRO / VPC WarBRD Base + Warthog Stick + Foxx Mount / Thrustmaster TPR pedals / Thustmaster MFD / Thrustmaster Warthog throttle + Monstertech chair mount
gholi Posted September 22, 2019 Author Posted September 22, 2019 As a user Iof both rudder pedals I have paid the TPR €499 while for slaw paid 2,351PLN =€539 so the Viper RX V2 is about 40 euros more expensive if I am not mistaken and while asked him a question about the differences between two pedals, prior to order, he answered me I quote: . Our pedals use a parallelogram with cam loading on all three axes. In the TM pedals, is a primitive “tick” loading + spring loading. I'm not even talking about materials and electronics. The only thing I personally would like is the pedal pad cast from an aluminum alloy. But even this was spoiled by not durable and cheap alloy. Here below please find the link on which I saw RX VIPER PEDAL V2 Best Flight gears http://box2041.temp.domains/~jaythesk/fathering-and-hobbies/flight-simming/flight-simming-hardware-list/
Wmacky Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) I must say your comparisons don't delve to deep into detail. I half tempted to report this as advertising. But, I'd like to know what makes the electronics of SLAW better than TPR? I disagree! This is by no means a through review, But I didn't perceive this as advertising at all. Just a quick comparison by someone excited and happy with a new purchase. And you are tempted to report it? Really? Edited September 22, 2019 by Wmacky
SGT Coyle Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 This is by no means a through review You could have fooled me. He went down a pretty detailed list of comparisons with accompanied conclusions offering no empirical data to support his claims. Sounded like he was trying to influence the market place to me. I may have been a little short with my immediate reply, but the triggering mechanism for me is the callus manner in witch he declared one product to be trash and the other to be Gods gift to Simmers. It may be the beginning and end of all rudder pedals, but he could have expressed his excitement without tearing the other guy down. Night Ops in the Harrier IYAOYAS
Sokol1_br Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 .Our pedals use a parallelogram with cam loading on all three axes. In the TM pedals, is a primitive “tick” loading + spring loading. It's a point that baffle me. Mechanically TPR use the same center system seem in Saitek, CH, TFRP pedals, the "tick" that produce a defined center "detent", whose fell is somewhat minimized with rubber stops in TPR. The best expression of this "tick" center system was in VKB RDR pedals an Mamba gimbal, as well in early Slaw pedals and early Baur BRD, in what all contact points use bearings. But all abandoned this mechanics in favor of softness and customization of CAM center system. Early BRD "tick" mechanism: https://forum.warthunder.ru/uploads/monthly_03_2013/post-10412-0-14873000-1364410600.jpg Early VKB "tick" mechanism (mamba): http://vkb-sim.pro/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/gimbal_mk3_2.jpg Then came TPR and suddenly details like mechanics became secondary, because... the "R2D2" look, or "realistic" pendular movement, perhaps? :D
Zoomer Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 I have the TPR pedals on my sim rig, purchased on the summer sale. I can`t fault them. The motion feels more natural (having used the pivot system), and I find them extremely accurate and responsive.
DemiOS Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 Surprised of the bad experience TPR gave to OP While I didn't even know of the existence of RX Viper V2 it was difficult to relate to the argumentation regarding TPR. I have had totally the opposite experiences with it. My experience of TPR -Installation was a breeze. Took me some minutes. I took a loading spring off, adjusted the angle of pedals one time and plugged the USB. It just works. -I am impressed by the solid construction of the thing. Nothing is feeling loose. -It is difficult to comment anything regarding the electronics other than that it just works. I plugged it in to USB port and started flying. After a year no need re-calibration. I find it still very precise. -It improved my simulation immersion greatly. I prefer jets and many have similar setup IRL where there is no lateral movement at all with my feet. -With this experience, if I would not have TPR now I would instantly buy it again for the same 500EUR not looking elsewhere.
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