FA_Crazy-Canuck Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 A question from the uneducated. I am currently running a AMD 3700+. Dual core AMD 4600 are relatively inexpensive and I was thinking of upgrading. My question is; Is there any advantage to installing a dual core? (I plan to buy a new system when BS & BOB come out, but for now I just like messing around.) Thanks for the input. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Sqn_Fudd Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Hi Crazy... Yes, Dual core allow programs to be run on either of the cores (Ex. Lockon on Core 1 and Hyperlobby on Core 2) ... It makes your system more responsive. A change from a 3700 at 2.2Ghz to a 4600 at 2.4Ghz (a difference of 200Mhz) will make very little difference in frame rates in Lockon/Blackshark but it will be a nice general change... I would say if the price is right then do it. http://3sqn.com/forum/ Here's to 1.13 -- > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0488djMDBU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 ... Yes, Dual core allow programs to be run on either of the cores (Ex. Lockon on Core 1 and Hyperlobby on Core 2) ... It makes your system more responsive... Actually this doesn't work like that with HL and LO :) If you use 1 aplication to start another, what ever affinity you set for the first will be the same for the second. In simple terms... if you set HL with affinity to 1st core and you start LO via HL, LO will have same affinity (it will run on same core). No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA_Crazy-Canuck Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 Thanks for the input guys. Do you think it is worth while upgrading my 939 socket to the max duel core I can still find? Will I see improved performance? For $90 or $100 I would do it for the fun of it if it can make a decent improvement. Thanks again for the input. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 yes you will see nice improvement simply because latest Intel CPU's are very efficient. Even if lockon doesn't use both cores you'll still see nice improvement. Just ask people who have done so and upgraded their system to Core 2 Duo's and Quad's. The downside is you'll be spending money for new CPU, Motherboard and possibly RAM. Then also you'll need to reinstall o/s and all other gadgets you use :D No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdude Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I have a pretty newbish question about processors and I thought this might be a good place to ask it... I'm buying a new processor soon, and I was wondering, after I physically install it, am I going to have to reinstall my OS or anything like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 yes, do reinstall o/s after such hardware change. Generally if you change CPU you change motherboard as well (with it the chipsets) and you do need fresh o/s install. No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdude Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I wasn't aware you would have to change the motherboard. I thought that was only if you have to buy a new motherboard because the new CPU is a different kind of chipset. The processor I'm getting is the same kind of chipset (AM2) and I'd really like to avoid getting a new motherboard. Would I still have to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 If the CPU socket is the same you don't need to change motherboard. It is still recommendable to reinstall o/s if you change CPU. No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allo Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Noob Geek. I have a ABIT KN9 SLI(AM2) motherboard with a AMD Athlon64 3500+ CPU. I want to upgrade it to a AMD Athlon64x2 6000+ CPU. Both are AM2 But I noticed the 6000 has a x2. I take it, this is duel core? Can I upgrade or do I need to get a new motherboard? Also, I only run on XP. Can XP run duel core. Sorry if these are stupid questions. I have done some investigating, and think I can upgrade the CPU. Just need some conformation before I invest this money. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU - AMD Phenom II X6 1055T @ 3.6 GHz // Motherboard - ASUS M4A89GTD-PRO // GFX - ATI Radeon HD 6870 1GB // RAM - Patriot-Viper II 4GB(2x2GB) DDR3-1600 // Audio - Creative X-FI Platinum // OS - Windows 7 Home x64 Bit CH Fighterstick // CH Pro Pedals // CH Pro Throttle // TrackIR 4 // Eyefinity 20"x3 Portrait :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 yup, I just checked (since I never used AMD CPU's) AM2 is the socket type and both those CPU's are using AM2 socket... yes the 2x does stand for DualCore and yes you should be able to just swap the CPU without the need for any other hardware change. PS: Someone please do correct me if I got this wrong just to make sure I don't say he can do this and turns out he can't :) since I am 99.99% sure you can do this but since I never used AMD maybe there is something I don't know about so please fill in if need be. oh and... do check on your motherboard manufacturer web for possible BIOS updates and any notes on dual core CPU compatibility. No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X_Man Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Hi Crazy... A change from a 3700 at 2.2Ghz to a 4600 at 2.4Ghz (a difference of 200Mhz) will make very little difference in frame rates in Lockon/Blackshark but it will be a nice general change... I would say if the price is right then do it. ...That is not entirely true. When you are looking mere speed of the processor - 2.2 GHz vs. 2.4 GHz doesn't seem like much. However, when you talk about data transfer - it could mean a lot and this is why. Processor speed (GHz) = FSB (in MHz) * clock multiplier So, 2.2 GHz => 200 MHz * 11 Thus, 2.4 GHz => either increasing the clock multiplier to 12, or reducing it to 10 or 9 even and increasing the FSB rate to 240 MHz or 267 MHz. So, a 200 MHz increase in processor speed maybe due to a 20 - 34% FSB increase which will show you an fps increase. Note: this is why the E6850, E7650 etc cost fractions less than the original X6800 and the E6700 and out perform them. They lowered the clock multiplier (and locked it) and then increased the front side bus speed. So if you are an overclocker - the E00's are still far superior to the E50's with their higher clock multiplier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA_Crazy-Canuck Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 Thanks for the input gentlemen. Let me be clear what I am trying to do. I have a 939 socket motherboard and for the sake of spending a few bucks now, (for the fun of it), I thought I would put an AMD 4400 in my system. Eventually I will build, (not me, my brother-in-law), a new system for BS and BOB. However if there is no real gain compared to what I am running now, AMD 3700+, I would not pursue it. So do you think there is a gain over what I am using now? Any suggestions on how to divide the cores for an advantage? i.e. LOMAC on core 1, HL, etc etc. Thanks again for the information.:book::thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 In lockon you will see this: If CPU B is 50% faster then CPU A then your minimal frame rate will be of same ratio (ie if you had 10FPS you will be getting 15FPS on exact same settings). This will be less and less true going to medium and highest framerate because after that it won't be only the CPU creating bottleneck in the system. It should be your task to inform yourself on how the two CPU's are comparing against eachother in raw CPU power... rest you should be able to astimate yourself. As to if it's worth or not to upgrade just the CPU is again up to you. For this yuo can read reviews on CPU's you have and intend to upgrade to (if you can find it). Don't hold too much on people's personal "experiences" as anyone that gets a new system will always say it's "blazing fast" :D How that translates into actual figures is different story ;) The dual core will only benefit in less (or none) slowing down on processes due to multitasking. Again it won't be much improvement in gameplay in lockon (since the game is still singlethreded - and utilises 1 CPU) but you'll get smoother play when using comms, trackir etc. No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA_Crazy-Canuck Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 Thanks Kuky, for your input. Be sure I always trust the numbers! They never exaggerate.:thumbup: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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