RedTiger Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 Let me get this straight... We're going to have these nice gunships in some sort of dynamic campaigns with plenty of tanks, APCs, and buildings to blow up and all you can think about is how you're gonna duel each other's chopper!? :doh: :P P.S. my money is on the Apache
GGTharos Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 And you can basically forget about R-73's on the Ka-50, too. The AH-64 is the superior platform here. But in the end, one point that sundowner made is the most important: The guy to see the other guy first is the most likely winner, plain and simple. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Dudikoff Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 And you can basically forget about R-73's on the Ka-50, too. The same can practically be said for the Sidewinders on the AH-64 :) But in the end, one point that sundowner made is the most important: The guy to see the other guy first is the most likely winner, plain and simple. Probably Apache has an advantage here, as well. Two pair of eyes and better cockpit visibility. The Longbow Apache only brings the advantage much further out. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
ED Team Groove Posted October 17, 2007 ED Team Posted October 17, 2007 Its plain and simple - the first one detecting the enemy will win. Edit: Lol GG, didnt saw your posting :D Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Yellonet Posted October 17, 2007 Author Posted October 17, 2007 Argh... it's F-15 vs. Su-27 all over again! :D i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Sundowner.pl Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 The same can practically be said for the Sidewinders on the AH-64 :)Well i was writing this on the Lockon.ru forum earlier, but... The AIM-9 is a standard issue for the USMC AH-1s, but it can be carried by most of the US helicopters - actually from what I know, any helicopter, that has a standard weapons rack, and have wiring to fire a weapon, that includes the Ch-53s too. In NAS Fallon there is even an SH-60, that fly with a CATM Sidewinder to simulate Russian Mi-24 armed with Aphids (Picture of SH-60F with ADU-299/E adapter and LAU-7 launch rail). When there will be no air superiority over the battlefield, helicopters will fly with AAMs for self defense, The Apaches will haul Stingers, and when the crews would get their hands on those adapters (standard issue for the Navy and USMC, not the Army) then we would see Sidewinders too... actually, you could put an ALU-127 rail, and mount, and use an AMRAAM too, just trade it for something that those F-16 jockeys want right now ;) And I can bet, that those guys in Ka-50s, Mi-24s, and Mi-28s will find them selfs an Archer to hang under their wings in that kind of conflict we see here. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
Yellonet Posted October 17, 2007 Author Posted October 17, 2007 :D i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Sundowner.pl Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 Exactly, it would act as semi-smart missile, point in direction of enemy, and launch it, let it figure out on its own what to hit ;) BTW for HOJ you need an interface so say the missile to change the track mode, so it won't work on airplane that don't have electronics for that specific missile. It is very similar with the AIM-9 missile, in most helicopters you only hear its growling in the speaker, you know when it tracks something, and when its locked on, but you actually have no idea on what... well in the helicopters that were testbeds for that missile there was off course a switch to cage/uncage the missile seeker, so in lets say an SH-60 you would like to have it caged all the time and just point nose of your aircraft at the enemy, hear the whining sound, and launch it then. AH-1s and AH-64 of course have visualization of where the seeker is pointing at given moment. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
GGTharos Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 No, they won't. Archers are for big planes; like there'll be no 9's on Apaches, there'll be no 73's or 60's on Russian helis. They might use IGLA stacks, but you can basically quit dreaming about AAMs on helis in BS, and probably in future releases, too. And I can bet, that those guys in Ka-50s, Mi-24s, and Mi-28s will find them selfs an Archer to hang under their wings in that kind of conflict we see here. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Yellonet Posted October 17, 2007 Author Posted October 17, 2007 No, they won't. Archers are for big planes; like there'll be no 9's on Apaches, there'll be no 73's or 60's on Russian helis. They might use IGLA stacks, but you can basically quit dreaming about AAMs on helis in BS, and probably in future releases, too.We don't really want them on the choppers... we're just speculating about how it could be. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Mugatu Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 Unless they model a Tiger HAP. :thumbup: No, they won't. Archers are for big planes; like there'll be no 9's on Apaches, there'll be no 73's or 60's on Russian helis. They might use IGLA stacks, but you can basically quit dreaming about AAMs on helis in BS, and probably in future releases, too.
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