AvgWhiteGuy Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 I'm having a bitch of a time getting this thru my thick head. I've watch several YT videos and some say TRIM UP to ??? while some some say NO TRIM needed. They both can't be correct...so what is it? And this dashed 2.5Degree pitch ladder is also confusing me. There must be a way it can be controlled to move forward (down the runway) or back toward the threshold via stick & throttle adjustments. Is there a diagram that expresses the altitudes vs distance to touchdown in a general sense (barebones A/C, minimum weight) at 10 mi, 5 mi, etc while on a straight in approach? Appreciate comments & suggestions Asus B85 Pro Gamer - 32GB - Intel® Core i5-4460 CPU - SanDisk SDSSDXPS480G -Windows 10 Pro 64-bit - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 TrackIR5 - TM Warthog HOTAS Stick & Throttle - TM Cougar MFCDs - TM TPR Rudder Pedals - Razer Orbweaver - SoundBlasterX G5 DAC
CaptHawk Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=28990 Read what Matt comments on below. I take it you watched Matts also: Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk Edited February 8, 2020 by ||CaptHawk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AMP WIZARD "Forest Gumble" "When the air becomes electric....It's like a box of chocolates":captain: Windows 11 Pro 64 bit | Intel Alder Lake i7 12700KF | Asus Prime Z690M Plus D4 | CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 3200 | GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Ventus 3x qwG OC | 1x42" Multi Touch Screen and 1x27" 4k widescreen | WinWing Orion2 ViperAce(EX) Joystick, Orion2 NavyAce Throttle, Orion Flight Metal Rudder(w/damper) |
Eagle7907 Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 This is a pretty good source to help with landings. The sentence with the “PW229” does not apply with our engine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Win 10, AMD FX9590/water cooled, 32GB RAM, 250GB SSD system, 1TB SSD (DCS installed), 2TB HD, Warthog HOTAS, MFG rudders, Track IR 5, LG Ultrawide, Logitech Speakers w/sub, Fans, Case, cell phone, wallet, keys.....printer
Dee-Jay Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 The -5° approach path shown on the video is insane. Should be -2.5° -3° max. Here is the proper cues. ASUSTeK ROG MAXIMUS X HERO / Intel Core i5-8600K (4.6 GHz) / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE 12GB / 32GB DDR4 Ballistix Elite 3200 MHz / Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB / Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Platinum / Windows 10 Home 64-bit / HOTAS Cougar FSSB R1 (Warthog grip) / SIMPED / MFD Cougar / ViperGear ICP / SimShaker JetPad / Track IR 5 / Curved LED 27'' Monitor 1080p Samsung C27F396 / HP Reverb G2 VR Headset.
CaptHawk Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 Is Wags approach in the second video not -2.5? Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AMP WIZARD "Forest Gumble" "When the air becomes electric....It's like a box of chocolates":captain: Windows 11 Pro 64 bit | Intel Alder Lake i7 12700KF | Asus Prime Z690M Plus D4 | CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 3200 | GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Ventus 3x qwG OC | 1x42" Multi Touch Screen and 1x27" 4k widescreen | WinWing Orion2 ViperAce(EX) Joystick, Orion2 NavyAce Throttle, Orion Flight Metal Rudder(w/damper) |
AvgWhiteGuy Posted February 9, 2020 Author Posted February 9, 2020 @Eagle7907.....can you please tell me where I can find the document you display, might be some interesting reading on other items as well? Asus B85 Pro Gamer - 32GB - Intel® Core i5-4460 CPU - SanDisk SDSSDXPS480G -Windows 10 Pro 64-bit - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 TrackIR5 - TM Warthog HOTAS Stick & Throttle - TM Cougar MFCDs - TM TPR Rudder Pedals - Razer Orbweaver - SoundBlasterX G5 DAC
Frederf Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 I'm having a bitch of a time getting this thru my thick head. I've watch several YT videos and some say TRIM UP to ??? while some some say NO TRIM needed. They both can't be correct...so what is it? And this dashed 2.5Degree pitch ladder is also confusing me. There must be a way it can be controlled to move forward (down the runway) or back toward the threshold via stick & throttle adjustments. Is there a diagram that expresses the altitudes vs distance to touchdown in a general sense (barebones A/C, minimum weight) at 10 mi, 5 mi, etc while on a straight in approach? Appreciate comments & suggestions Landing is a sequence of activities. It begins with an approach then a transition then a touchdown then a rollout. The quality of each part is highly dependent on the quality of the preceding part. Right now it sounds like your approach needs attention. I teach approach as "the three P's: position, path, and posture." The idea is that you solve those three problems in the order listed. Don't concern yourself with the next step until you've solved the previous one. Only with experience will you be able to solve two or more simultaneously. Focus on solving the problems separately so you can simplify your efforts. For every distance from the runway there is a position in the sky where your airplane should be. Nothing good will happen until you get in position. The position problem is further able to be broken down into a lateral and vertical problem. In general and especially when learning you should solve the lateral problem first. Solving either lateral or vertical problem is done in almost the exact same way. To start, put the FPM at the beginning of the runway. This establishes a baseline condition where your position error is frozen. It won't get any worse or better. Then we evaluate the error: are you left or right of the runway? If left, put the FPM right of the runway by an amount that you will solve the lateral problem no closer than half the remaining distance to go. With the FPM placed this way the runway will appear to drift to the left. Keep the FPM displaced until nearly aligned. When the lateral problem is solved, move the FPM back to the beginning of the runway. Now that you're at the correct lateral position and your FPM is pointed at the runway you will remain there. The vertical problem is similar. Usually the lateral problem is solved and the beginning of the runway is between the -2.5° line and the horizon indicating that you are below the normal path. If the beginning of runway (B.o.R.) is below the -2.5° degree line that means you are too close, too high, or took too long solving the lateral problem. If the runway beginning is between -2.5 and 0 then simply put the FPM on the horizon and fly level until the spot drifts down to the -2.5 line. If the B.o.R. is already below the -2.5 line then fly aggressively down at -5 or so on the pitch ladder until the B.o.R. drifts up to the -2.5 line. When the B.o.R. is at the -2.5 line, put the FPM on the B.o.R. In general FPM is placed vertically with the throttle. At low AOA with the gear out the airplane holds attitude and so power changes result in different flight path angles. Pitching the airplane can move the FPM vertically but lowering the nose increases speed which reduces AOA which lifts the FPM. Similarly raising the nose tends to slow the airplane which increases AOA which lowers the FPM. To review: FPM on B.o.R. to start FPM shift lateral to solve lateral alignment FPM on B.o.R. to retain lateral alignment FPM level or dive to solve vertical alignment FPM on B.o.R. to retain vertical alignment Repeat process as needed to fine tune lateral and vertical alignment Common errors: Insufficient time and distance to solve approach problems Excessive altitude Not placing FPM sufficiently far left/right from B.o.R. to solve lateral problem quickly Not returning FPM to B.o.R. when laterally aligned Not solving lateral problem before attempting vertical alignment Not flying level or diving aggressively enough to solve vertical alignment quickly Once aligned laterally and vertically and FPM is on B.o.R. then the only remaining 'P' to solve is posture which is simply being physically ready to touch down. Landing gear is out, speed brakes are open, checks are made, speed is reduced, and AOA is set. Typically you're 5-10 degrees AOA, in position, on path, and 30-60 seconds away from the runway. You find yourself needing to transition to the normal landing AOA of 11-13 degrees without messing up anything else. This is accomplished by coordinated reduction in power and increased nose up stick input. The FPM remains on the runway, the gun cross raises, and the AOA stable is brought up to the FPM. Trim is entirely up to you. At 11-13 AOA trim is required for neutral stick input and a stabilized approach but if you want to hold the stick then that's fine too. Trim is just a comfort aid.
26-J39 Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 Is Wags approach in the second video not -2.5? Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk I believe Dee-Jay is referring to the Grim Reapers vid you posted, which is a great tutorial if you want to do everything wrong. :smilewink:
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