bradmick Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Howdy, just a quick question. The FAQ says that the AH-64A Apache is planned, but all the screen shots (even the one on the page talking about the AI aircraft flight model) are of the AH-64D Longbow. I'm interested because this is actually the Helicopter i'm currently learning to fly, and would love to see a high fidelity sim (outside of the LCT of course) of the D. The AH-64A is pretty well near being phased out of the military and been relegated to the National Guard and Reserves. It'd be interesting as well to hear what Blocks are planned, be it I or II (lots of differences between the two). Anyway, i'm seriously stoked about Black Shark and all the awesome-ness that it entails. It's also going to be nice to fly a helicopter that you don't have to worry about not having anti-torque pedals (counter-rotating blades are awesome that way). Oh, I guess I can ask this here too. The performance bits that were talked about in the Simulation info page made me wonder, will there be a bit in the manual perhaps on performance planning for the specific airframes? I ask because for me, this is a daily thing. Based on atmospheric conditions, (max temp and max pa) I calculate my power ranges for the day. That'd be pretty awesome actually, to be able to sit down, do a Performance Planning Card and be able to validate it with the aircraft in game. Admittedly that may be a little TO much for even the most hard core of sim pilot, but would prove invaluable. To know that on this day I can pull this much torque based on the engines current mechanical status so that if I get into a bind I know I can go up to that for however long the limitations of the engine specify...awesome. Also, it'd be pretty neat to be able to validate the weight of my aircraft before I flew the mission. Meaning, if I predict i'm going to hover at 'x' torque, then my aircrafts weight has been validated against my Performance Card. Wow, that probably is all kinds of greek actually. This is done to a certain extent in the civilian world as well (so i'm told) but perfomance planning is the bread and butter of military (army) aviation. Brad
Yellonet Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 The D won't be flyable because it features systems that there's not enough free info about to model correctly and because the A is a better "opposite" to the Ka-50. About performance planning... the weather system will not initially be improved over how it is in Lomac, but weight and mechanical systems seems to be modeled very well, so to some extent it may work. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Sundowner.pl Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Welcome. It's great to have someone from Fort Rucker to visit this site, and to jab another pin into ED Voodoo doll, with words "Make us that God damn Apache, NOW!" :lol: The problem with Longbow is that there is not many reference material. As you probably know, all of the manuals regarding the Alpha Apache are available to the public free of charge. For the Delta there is non, a simple thing like representing pages of MFDs will be a pain in the butt, since there is so little data on that subject. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
GGTharos Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Hey Brad; I have no answer as to the effect of atmospheric conditions on lift, but I will forward that question. It might not be simulated yet, but I'm fairly certain that ED wishes to continue making the physics engine more and more realistic. As for the D, if you have any unclass sources about it that you could point ED to without violating your secrecy oath, please do - the more info, the more likely it'll be modeled. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Yellonet Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Hey Brad; I have no answer as to the effect of atmospheric conditions on lift, but I will forward that question. It might not be simulated yet, but I'm fairly certain that ED wishes to continue making the physics engine more and more realistic. As for the D, if you have any unclass sources about it that you could point ED to without violating your secrecy oath, please do - the more info, the more likely it'll be modeled.Bah... don't listen to GG, scan all your manuals to pdf and get a torrent up ;) Just kidding :P i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Sundowner.pl Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Just kidding :PNo, we're not :smartass: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
Yellonet Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 No, we're not :smartass:Well, I just wrote that to keep my back free :D i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
bradmick Posted October 24, 2007 Author Posted October 24, 2007 Heheh, if only, right? Definately can't release the manuals. A really old version of the ATM is available on FAS.org. Beyond that I can't do to much there. The AH-64A would be awesome none the less. It'd actually probably be easier for folks to fly, on account of the gauges make life easier. The Pages are....phew, not bad, but you can get lost quick fast an in a hurry :) Anyway, the ATM actually goes through the tasks that all Apache pilots are responsible for, to include filling out a performance planning card. The only thing is, you need the -10 with all its charts in order to fill it out. So, that might be a little more complicated for the devs to implement. Forgot about the charts, only stare at them every day for an hour ;) You a Rucker native Sundowner? Or been through Rucker? Or just know about it from research? Brad
Sundowner.pl Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 I'm from Poland, I know about it from stories etc. been living in rotorhead community my whole life (navy SAR and ASW). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
britgliderpilot Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Hey Brad; I have no answer as to the effect of atmospheric conditions on lift, but I will forward that question. It might not be simulated yet, but I'm fairly certain that ED wishes to continue making the physics engine more and more realistic. As for the D, if you have any unclass sources about it that you could point ED to without violating your secrecy oath, please do - the more info, the more likely it'll be modeled. I know there's at least some atmospheric variation in the Black Shark flight model - did a bit of experimentation with high altitude take-offs with, um, interesting results . . . Interestingly, I haven't yet seen a torque gauge in the Ka50 cockpit. I take it the Apache does have one? And you most definitely still need yaw controls for the Ka50. Yes, there's more or less no inherent torque in the hover or normal flight . . . which is fine for only as long as you want to fly in a straight line ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Force_Feedback Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 The ka-50 has electronic engine control Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Flyby Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 S~Brad Welcome to our merry little band. I trust you'll be careful in learning the D so that you can continue to visit these forums from time to time. While the A is a compliment to the Black Shark simulation-wise it still has the advantage of being a two-seater, and so divides the work load, and increases the overall SA, imho. Still, Electronic Arts, along with Janes did the excellent Longbow sim. I have no idea how close in fidelity that sim was to the real systems of the D, but it must have been good enough since the sim has earned much respect, and is still being played today. SimHq has an ongoing forum for Longbow2. The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
amalahama Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Welcome to our merry little band. I trust you'll be careful in learning the D so that you can continue to visit these forums from time to time. While the A is a compliment to the Black Shark simulation-wise it still has the advantage of being a two-seater, and so divides the work load, and increases the overall SA, imho. Still, Electronic Arts, along with Janes did the excellent Longbow sim. I have no idea how close in fidelity that sim was to the real systems of the D, but it must have been good enough since the sim has earned much respect, and is still being played today. SimHq has an ongoing forum for Longbow2. Sorry, but Longbow 2 has nothing to do with BlackShark and the future DCS:AH-64A. Easy :thumbup: Regards!!
Flyby Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 regards back atcha Sorry, but Longbow 2 has nothing to do with BlackShark and the future DCS:AH-64A. Easy :thumbup: Regards!! Sorry if you misunderstood, but I was simply stating that Longbow2 has a following over at SimHq, and that it's still being flown. I'm not saying or implying in any way that DCS is or should be trying to duplicate that effort. to qoute mysellf: "While the A is a compliment to the Black Shark simulation-wise it still has the advantage of being a two-seater, and so divides the work load, and increases the overall SA, imho." :smilewink: Flyby The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
bradmick Posted October 25, 2007 Author Posted October 25, 2007 Yup, the Apache (longbow and alpha) both have torque gauges. It's in both the symbology of the HDU and on one of the MPD pages. The apache also has electronic engine controls. Brad
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