Chuck_Henry Posted March 14, 2020 Posted March 14, 2020 It seems strange to me that you can manually tune TACAN stations and set courses based on them, but I can't seem to find a way to do the same with ILS in this jet. I know it can be done based on the destination waypoint in the DTC, but I'm thinking, "What happens in real life if weather prevents you from landing anywhere near your intended full stop airfield and you have to divert to an area where you have no waypoints loaded?" Are you just hoping the weather is good enough for a non-precision approach or they can guide you in with a PAR to a military airfield?
AeriaGloria Posted March 14, 2020 Posted March 14, 2020 You can dial your own TACAN. Have you done the navigation training? Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
foxwxl Posted March 14, 2020 Posted March 14, 2020 yes, U can. Just enter coordinates into WPT59, and all the ILS channel should be set manually. Deka Ironwork Tester Team
Chuck_Henry Posted March 15, 2020 Author Posted March 15, 2020 You can dial your own TACAN. Have you done the navigation training? I'm asking about dialing ILS, not TACAN.
AeriaGloria Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 I'm asking about dialing ILS, not TACAN. Sorry, misread the beginning of the post Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Chuck_Henry Posted March 15, 2020 Author Posted March 15, 2020 yes, U can. Just enter coordinates into WPT59, and all the ILS channel should be set manually. But to be clear, there is no way for, in the case of the approach below, to manually dial in 111.5 and set my desired course to 259. I have to input coordinates and let the system do that for me. https://skyvector.com/files/tpp/2003/svg/00662IL26L.svg
Chuck_Henry Posted March 15, 2020 Author Posted March 15, 2020 Sorry, misread the beginning of the post All good
foxwxl Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 But to be clear, there is no way for, in the case of the approach below, to manually dial in 111.5 and set my desired course to 259. I have to input coordinates and let the system do that for me. https://skyvector.com/files/tpp/2003/svg/00662IL26L.svg Sorry man, I don't fully understand what's your problem. I've tested on PG map with Lar AFB which has the ILS of 111.50 and course of 090, I can dail in the ILS channel 35 and set course 090 manually without problem. the ILS & course is fully functional even I didn't input the WPT59's correct coordinates. Deka Ironwork Tester Team
Chuck_Henry Posted March 17, 2020 Author Posted March 17, 2020 Sorry man, I don't fully understand what's your problem. I've tested on PG map with Lar AFB which has the ILS of 111.50 and course of 090, I can dail in the ILS channel 35 and set course 090 manually without problem. the ILS & course is fully functional even I didn't input the WPT59's correct coordinates. I guess this is where I really show my weakness at learning avionics newer than roughly 1980 as part of anything but a real syllabus. Where do you actually go to input those things? Is it the Approach page? I haven't messed around with this jet in a couple days, but every time I go to that, it always seems like most of the options are locked in and you can only change the type of approach (ILS/SCA/etc). Not going to insult my intelligence here. I'm actually asking you to walk me step by step, each button push, how you manually tune an ILS and set the final approach course in this jet because I'm at a loss.
foxwxl Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 I guess this is where I really show my weakness at learning avionics newer than roughly 1980 as part of anything but a real syllabus. Where do you actually go to input those things? Is it the Approach page? I haven't messed around with this jet in a couple days, but every time I go to that, it always seems like most of the options are locked in and you can only change the type of approach (ILS/SCA/etc). Not going to insult my intelligence here. I'm actually asking you to walk me step by step, each button push, how you manually tune an ILS and set the final approach course in this jet because I'm at a loss. No worry man, Jeff is really an easy plane to fly with. 1.UFCP, hit FP-A and change it to APR, to enter the APR mode. 2.Make sure U select ILS(or TCN if you want) on the UFCP,not SCA, or ILS won't be activated. 3.Default APR AFB could be 50, so hit the button and change it to 59. Now UFCP shows "APR 59".This is the only WPT that U can change ILS. 4.On LEFT MFCD the APR PAGE should auto popup once U select APR mode on UFCP. If didn't manually select APR page. 5.On the up left cornor of APR page , select ILS and input the ILS channel U want. It's NOT the ILS frequency，So if you have no idea of the ILS channel, just call up kneeboard,and pagedown. ILS channel<->frequency chart will be there. 6.Hit the M.course button and input the RWY course(left one for ILS, right one for TCN) If you are within the range of ILS, U should already heard the morse code in headphone. 7.Now, if you haven't input the airport coordinates or U just want to land directly, hit the UFCP "FAF", change it to "RWY". Now you have ILS guidance on HUD. And on the HSD, the course and deviation have already displayed(call out HSD if you haven't). If you have WPT59 coordinates input already, the WPT59 position will also displayed on HUD and HSD(but it's not a must for ILS). 1 Deka Ironwork Tester Team
joca133 Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 Awesome, I was looking for a way to manually tuning. Now on “autotune”, say airport #51... is there a way to select a reciprocal runway? On mfcd I only get the option to select 10R or 10L, which essentially just changes my PT inbound. How do I switch from runway 04 to 22 on Anapa, for instance?
AeriaGloria Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 I believe you may need to use WPT 59 for that Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Bagpipe Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 Awesome, I was looking for a way to manually tuning. Now on “autotune”, say airport #51... is there a way to select a reciprocal runway? On mfcd I only get the option to select 10R or 10L, which essentially just changes my PT inbound. How do I switch from runway 04 to 22 on Anapa, for instance? I think the point is that the ILS is only active on one side of the runway depending on weather/restrictions so you only get to choose between L/R if they exist. Could be wrong, it happens alot :)
joca133 Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 Interesting, I would prefer being able to cycle all runways. But it makes sense that an airport only has 1 active. The issue is with DCS vs JF17, I was told to land on rwy 22 but it defaulted to 04. Even if I was on the correct side it defaulted to the wrong runway according to winds and airport. A bug? Ill play with 059, if that is the only way to get the correct approach.
AeriaGloria Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 Interesting, I would prefer being able to cycle all runways. But it makes sense that an airport only has 1 active. The issue is with DCS vs JF17, I was told to land on rwy 22 but it defaulted to 04. Even if I was on the correct side it defaulted to the wrong runway according to winds and airport. A bug? Ill play with 059, if that is the only way to get the correct approach. Press DST on UFCP and then waypoint 51. Copy and paste it to waypoint 59, all you have to do is press the number on DST page of UFCP you don’t have to use MFD DST page except for copy and paste. Once it’s pasted to 059 you should be able to select any runway and direction and lots of other stuff Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
joca133 Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 Press DST on UFCP and then waypoint 51. Copy and paste it to waypoint 59, all you have to do is press the number on DST page of UFCP you don’t have to use MFD DST page except for copy and paste. Once it’s pasted to 059 you should be able to select any runway and direction and lots of other stuff Nice! Seems like there is a lot of hidden features in this system, although I am pretty happy so far with how simple it is overall. Thanks! :thumbup:
AeriaGloria Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 Looking at that post again I explained it horribly lol. MFD or UFCP, press DST basically to get to that page and make 59 whatever you want manually or through copy and paste. I haven’t personally used it myself except once to plug in an alternate, I never fooled around with the myriad of other things you can adjust for 59, like I think you can even change the glide slope for ILS Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
joca133 Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 Looking at that post again I explained it horribly lol. MFD or UFCP, press DST basically to get to that page and make 59 whatever you want manually or through copy and paste. I haven’t personally used it myself except once to plug in an alternate, I never fooled around with the myriad of other things you can adjust for 59, like I think you can even change the glide slope for ILS Thanks for the detailed explanation, I got the basic of DST copy/paste already from programming the reporting points for a/g cruise missiles and you were very clear on what needs to be done. Ill go in the soup later on to try it. Very powerful and useful on PG I guess, since apparently with this method you can tune manually the ILS frequency through the code table on the kneeboard. Again, thanks!
Bagpipe Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 Looking at that post again I explained it horribly lol. MFD or UFCP, press DST basically to get to that page and make 59 whatever you want manually or through copy and paste. I haven’t personally used it myself except once to plug in an alternate, I never fooled around with the myriad of other things you can adjust for 59, like I think you can even change the glide slope for ILS Hey, thanks man! I did not know this though to be honest i have not really delved into the Jeff yet as already up to my eyeballs in other modules still. WPT 59 features sound awesome i will be checking them out for sure :thumbup:
AeriaGloria Posted July 24, 2020 Posted July 24, 2020 Hey, thanks man! I did not know this though to be honest i have not really delved into the Jeff yet as already up to my eyeballs in other modules still. WPT 59 features sound awesome i will be checking them out for sure :thumbup: One of those things where I think the biggest boost in features we will get is once the manual is released and tidbits like that are in Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
[VFA-106] Glacier Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 Whenever I select 59, it gives me an EE warning. I can't select it, or copy coordinates into it.
AeriaGloria Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 Glacier;4433040']Whenever I select 59' date=' it gives me an EE warning. I can't select it, or copy coordinates into it.[/quote'] You have to paste something to it first. Press DST on MFD or UFCP, select an airport waypoint you already have, 51-58, copy, then paste to 59, then it will work Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
[VFA-106] Glacier Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Yeah, I tried pasting WPT 00 into 59, and still got the EE message. Oh wait...can you not copy WPT 00? EDIT: Oh wait, I missed the part about 51-58. So the only thing you can copy into 59 is 51-58. Makes sense. Sorry for the mix up. Edited July 25, 2020 by [16AGR] Glacier
AeriaGloria Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 Glacier;4433250']Yeah, I tried pasting WPT 00 into 59, and still got the EE message. Oh wait...can you not copy WPT 00? EDIT: Oh wait, I missed the part about 51-58. So the only thing you can copy into 59 is 51-58. Makes sense. Sorry for the mix up. I haven’t tested it with manually inputted coordinates, but AFAIK as long as it’s the coordinates of an airport from F10 it should work, but haven’t tested thoroughly. There has to be a way to get to the 10th closest airport:megalol: Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
joca133 Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 Copy-paste from 51-58 worked beautifully. I just did a “cat3” on kutaisi for the first time on this aircraft. This DST 59 is genius, I could even plot a 12nm faf the way I wanted.
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