Ryzen or Intel mid-range CPU

[Sn8ke_iis]

Hey guys,

 

Really not trying to get into a whole AMD vs Intel thing. If you are partial to one company, it's your money do what you want.

 

Before we get too off topic the OP was asking about 3600 vs 9600 and specifically said they were the same cost for him in his region. I'm just trying to equip people with sources of objective data so they can make a decision without having to rely on internet rumors and hearsay.

 

Steve from Gamer's Nexus and Der8auer have both mentioned in their videos some of the responses they get from people when they recommend Intel over AMD for gaming. I just don't get it. They're both multi-billion dollar corporations that are beholden to their shareholders. They don't care about us. They just want our money.

 

Hope everybody is doing OK. Stay safe and healthy. And as a former Army medic, wash your hands, cough and sneeze into the corner of your elbow, and drink lots of fluids. If your local store is short on disinfectants you can use household bleach 5-10% solution of a given volume of water (50-100 ml per L) to clean surfaces. It will strip the finish off of wood floors and furniture so be careful what you use it on. Take care.

[Cy-27]

Well done misinterpreting my posts. I'm specifically talking about the Intel CPU versus AMD CPU on single core performance debate on my last post, not even about graphics card. Here he comes talking about the 5700 XT.

 

And how do people come to the conclusion that NVidia cards run better than AMD cards when it comes to DCS like Cu-27 did? Especially when they have never owned a AMD card that is? I'm very interested in responses ... I know the answer already. Just keep spitting bullshit of others you have read on the internet, in most cases problems created in the first place because they might be too stupid to keep their system and driver state clean...

 

Also nice try painting me as if I have said that AMD cards have "zero problems" compared to NVidia or whatever in general. What do I care what people have "problems" with Fortnite or Overwatch or whatever when I'm here talking about DCS? You can go right back with that link and your strawmanning, not gonna work.

 

I just send a Trouble ticket to user support and their response is that Nvidia GPU runs a bit faster;

I actually own a RX5700 and compare it with my firend's GTX1070, mine is 57 fps, his is 53 fps. The RX5700 is just have 5%~10% advantage over GTX1070 in DCS. Another firend has a RTX2060 and his fps just is higher than my RX5700.

Except that AMD GPU has worse fps, the AMD driver does not support adaptive sync with a fixed refreshrate monitor. Nvidia does support it. For a AMD gpu, if you turn on the sync, the fps just switch bettween 30 and 60 which gives me a strong feeling of stutter.

Edited April 21, 2020 by Cy-27

[Dudikoff]

I just don't get it. They're both multi-billion dollar corporations that are beholden to their shareholders. They don't care about us. They just want our money.

 

I'd just like to add that the situation is not that simple as two huge companies wying for our purchases.

 

One is a 60 billion USD revenue company which basically has a monopoly and thus doesn't really need to invest that much to provide better products for consumers as much as into marketing and various anti-trust violation practices to maintain that monopoly which allows them to basically re-brand the same product with some tweaks over and over again (e.g. the same quad-core CPU design over 7 generations in the consumer CPU market until AMD's Ryzen made them increase the core count there). The other one is like 10 times smaller and was on the brink of bankruptcy a few years ago.

 

Now, I'm not saying people should be buying an inferior product, but given fairly balanced options, they should IMHO make an informed choice and reward certain practices (like in democracy), otherwise they have only themselves to blame in the long term.

 

For example, I need to have a laptop as my main rig for both work and gaming. And even now when AMD has a pretty good CPU product (the new mobile Ryzen 4XXXH/HS CPUs with a matching performance, but a much lower TDP compared to Intel), no OEM's will be releasing high-end laptops with them which is simply preposterous, especially given how the current crop of laptops are getting thinner and thinner.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Dudikoff

[VitS]

 

One is a 60 billion USD revenue company which basically has a monopoly and thus doesn't really need to invest that much to provide better products for consumers

 

ok, bro.

https://spendmenot.com/top-rd-spenders/

[Dudikoff]

ok, bro.

https://spendmenot.com/top-rd-spenders/

 

You do realize Intel is in a bunch of tech besides consumer CPUs which are just a part of its business? Not to mention it still runs its own production foundries in multiple locations (speaking of which, god knows how much of r&d money was burned on developing the failed 10nm process only)..

 

I would presume very little of that went to consumer CPUs because we for sure didn't reap much progress there.

 

Unless of course you've been happy with what Intel's been providing up to the Ryzen release (basically, up to 5% IPC increase per consumer CPU generation, same core-count, HT reserved for top CPUs, each "generation" requiring a new socket and mainboard), in which case good for you, "bro", but I'd presume the most are quite happy with the benefits of having some competition here again (core increase, big price drop, HT).

 

But, I haven't intended to get dragged into this debate, just wanted to add some perspective to the presented context.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Dudikoff

[BranchPrediction]

poor guy OP. I5 9600KF will have a bit higher single threaded perf and it can be oced. so very goood. R5 3600 has SMT (12 threads) and has better multithread perf but the AM4 socket that R5 3600 uses will get ryzen 4000 support, so thats an advatage aswell. u should decide for urself which is the way to go. either way i dont think u will regret it. Now for the gpus. a 5700XT is faster than the 2060s and 2070, but a minority of people are indeed still having drivers issues. i really dont want to tell u my opinion buuut the 5700XT is faster sooo :( . sry u decide for urself xD