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[TorwaK]

Russian Moscow class cruiser war ship is passing from Istanbul Bosphorus

 

 

It's disclosed to discuss but some journalists says that Turkey have been importing ballistic missile technologies from Russia and made his own ballistic missiles with that technology. Under below Turkish Thunder and Jaguar ballistic missiles.

 

 

 

[Kusch]

 

It's disclosed to discuss but some journalists says that Turkey have been importing ballistic missile technologies from Russia and made his own ballistic missiles with that technology. Under below Turkish Thunder and Jaguar ballistic missiles.

 

Biznes is biznes. S-400 to Grece?

 

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/images/banners/contents/ST_08.01.14_cont.pdf

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php

 

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1204714&postcount=1

 

according the greek defence magazine "Stratigiki" HAF is going to acquire the S-400 TRIUMF (Russian: C-400 «Триумф») new generation anti-aircraft/anti-missile weapon system! The magazine claims that Hellenic and Russian governments have already come in agreement during the formal visit of the Prime Minister of the Hellenic Republic Karamanlis at Moskva last December.

[TorwaK]

2 months ago Russia is suggested to Turkey produce S-400 TRIUMF long-range missile defense system together in Turkey. Also they suggested us to technology transfer and so on. Turkish Air Force didn't accept it because of S-400 TRIUMF IFF system recognize NATO type planes like enemy so all software codes must recode if TuAF starts to use it. Now we've two options and it's Arrow-II long range missile system or produce ours.

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=123756

 

The thing is we don't buy weapon usually because at war time weapon sellers able to control them. An example Turkish engineers found it out that USA put the Turkish F-16's software some special electronic device which can control the plane from remote access. After that Havelsan changed to Turkish F-16's computer software system with Turkish software. One more thing... 20 years ago our F-16's planes were recognized Greek planes in IFF friendly side so planes were restricted to fire missile but their Mirage's were locked our planes and ready to fire at Aegean sea.

 

One more example... last year we had attack helicopter project. Usa/Italy/South Africa/Eurocopter applied to project. We disqualified Usa (Apache Longbow Ah-64) and Eurocopter (Tiger) from project because in specifications of project we wrote there that navigation system will produce by Turkish engineers. They refused. That's why Italy Agusto A-129 won the project, but the thing is all right of this helicopter belong to Turkey now and we modified it to T-129. We're going to put it Commanche helicopter 's engines (cancelled project), Turkish anti-armor missile (not hellfire) which is Cirit (javelin). Better software and better avionics which is produce by Aselsan. If you think that why Turkey don't produce own design attack helicopter and develope it? Because it's "research" is very expensive and if you procude a weapon you must sell it to other countries to make survive your research money. On the other hand for Turkey no need to re-discover America again.

 

[Kusch]

Thanks :)

[Pilotasso]

The thing is we don't buy weapon usually because at war time weapon sellers able to control them. An example Turkish engineers found it out that USA put the Turkish F-16's software some special electronic device which can control the plane from remote access.

 

LOL thats some crazy stories you got there. I already suspected US would implement safeguards on their export planes. Imagine the pilot suddenly seeing his plane turned into an UCAV with him still inside... :lol:

[TorwaK]

LOL thats some crazy stories you got there. I already suspected US would implement safeguards on their export planes. Imagine the pilot suddenly seeing his plane turned into an UCAV with him still inside... :lol:

 

Unfortunately it's not a story Pilatasso. Usa even don't share F-35 computer software with UK however F-35 produce by 7 different countries on paper.

 

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/itar-fallout-britain-to-pull-out-of-f35-jsf-program-01587/

 

Israel had very big problems with Usa because of they changed all avionic systems of IAF's F-16 planes earlier than expire restrictions. Have you read about how UK bought source codes of exocet missiles from France (Aйrospatiale) which Argentine used against of UK warships and UK won the Falklands War? ;)

 

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/Exocet.html

 

How about at second Iraq war that Usa and UK are disabled air defense system of Iraq army? Because they sold all those crap equipments to Iraq during Iraq-Iran war. Saddam made a very stupid decision to trust those weapons because when war is started their all radars were blind.

 

Most important thing for armies to use their own systems. If not you can't guarantee that at war time those weapons will work or not.:)

[leafer]

How about at second Iraq war that Usa and UK are disabled air defense system of Iraq army?

 

You have reliable source(s) for that, Torwak?

[TorwaK]

I read books also follow inter/national defense magazines and forums. Those informations from there.

[leafer]

Would you mind elaborate on how the U.S. and UK disabled the said air defense system and about the remote access thingamagoober?

 

I'm really interested.

[TorwaK]

As I read from magazines that USA and UK are just shut down their radar systems so when night operation is started even Iraqian Army didn't notice US/UK aircrafts until they got bombs on their head.

 

Second thing which I read that those Iraqian radars weapons etc. sold them at past during Iraq-Iran war.

[leafer]

well, if that is true then that is one sneaky move by the U.S. Or perhaps it was a clause in the contract written in tiny, lil letters using invisible ink?

[TorwaK]

Let me give you another example from near past about why armies must use their own weapon system. Last month in Turkey we had an open bids about military satellite program (Gцktьrk). 5 different countries asked for invitation, anyway one of them was Israel (IAI) and they suggested to Turkish Air Force the latest technology spy satellites and technology transfer but they had a single request.

 

"When satellite passing over from Israel in sky, satellite can't take a picture which is showing more than 5 metre underground"

 

Even their system was the most technologic one, but anyway they disqualified.

[leafer]

Which military magazine are you reading? I'd love to subscribe to it. Really. Those are some interesting stuff you got there.

[Alfa]

This morning after long time(40-50 years) first Russian war ship is used Istanbul bosphorus to pass to mediterranean sea to join field exercises. For long time Turkish goverment didn't let any Russian navy war ship to use Istanbul bosphorus to go to mediterranean sea, so Russian war ships were used Barents sea which is takes really long time to reach mediterranean sea.

 

Torwak that just isn't true :) . Russian warships of the Black Sea Fleet have been passing through the Bosphorus all the time - e.g. the "Moskva" has participated in varies operations/exercises in the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean.

 

However, there is a treaty that specifically prohibits aircraft carriers from passing through the strait. Anyway, the reason why Soviet carriers(and main units of the navy as such) were stationed at the Kola Peninsula is simply because this location provided unrestricted access to the North Atlantic, which was their main area of operation during the cold war.

 

The Russian navy has recently dispatched a fleet of some 11 ships of the Northern Fleet to the Mediterranean, where they are to conduct exercises with elements of the Black Sea Fleet.......so I suspect thats why the "Moskva" has exited the Black Sea as shown in your photo :) .

[TorwaK]

Which military magazine are you reading? I'd love to subscribe to it. Really. Those are some interesting stuff you got there.

 

Usually I read Turkish MSI defense magazine (http://www.milscint.com) and other defense forums like www.defencetalk.com.

 

Torwak that just isn't true :) . Russian warships of the Black Sea Fleet have been passing through the Bosphorus all the time - e.g. the "Moskva" has participated in varies operations/exercises in the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean.

 

Sorry Alfa after searched it better I understood that I was wrong, mistake has been fixed.

[VMFA117_Poko]

Anyone who can fess up to a mistake has a class.

[Alfa]

 

Sorry Alfa after searched it better I understood that I was wrong, mistake has been fixed.

 

No need to be sorry TorwaK :) .

 

My turn to make a little correction:

 

The Russian navy has recently dispatched a fleet of some 11 ships of the Northern Fleet to the Mediterranean, where they are to conduct exercises with elements of the Black Sea Fleet

 

Actually this should be:

 

The Russian navy is assembling a fleet of some 11 ships for exercises in the Mediterranean - i.e. this is the total number and the Northern Fleet contingent itself only accounts for about half of them.

 

So far I have only found confirmation for the following Northern Fleet units:

 

Admiral Kuznetsov - aircraft carrying cruiser

Admiral Chabanenko - Udaloy II class antisubmarine destroyer

Admiral Levchenko - Udaloy I class antisubmarine destroyer

Sergei Osipov - Boris Chilikin class fleet oiler

 

....but I suspect that they may be accompanied by one or more submarines - e.g. such as an Oscar class SSGN.

[TorwaK]

As I learnt last year (26/02/2006) northern fleet already visited to Istanbul and stayed here for 3 days. I do live here but unfortunatelly I didn't hear anything about it.

 

 

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2006/02/26/yasam/yas02.html

[Alfa]

As I learnt last year (26/02/2006) northern fleet already visited to Istanbul and stayed here for 3 days. I do live here but unfortunatelly I didn't hear anything about it.

 

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2006/02/26/yasam/yas02.html

 

Well I cannot read the news article in the link(don't speak Turkish :) ) , but I believe the visit in question(in 2006) concerned two ships of the Black Sea Fleet - namely the "Moskva"(Slava class cruiser) and the "Azov"(Ropucha class landing ship)......that also fits with the photo on that page.

 

Furthermore, I believe these ships actually participated in a joint Russo-Turkish naval exercise(called "Black Sea Harmoni" or something) later that year - around september :) .

[TorwaK]

As read on newspaper that there was 3 war ships. I hope that when Moscow will return from Libya on next days, they can give a break in Istanbul so I can take pictures.

 

I know about Black Sea Harmoni exercises between Russia and Turkey. Actually this naval exercise prepared against of US plan which is called by "Big Middle East Project". In past US tried to enter the Blacksea and deploy there warships which is under name "Blackseafor" help of Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Georgia. Turkey and Russia are responsed quick with that common naval exercise and they gave it a name "Black Sea Harmoni" :)

[Alfa]

As read on newspaper that there was 3 war ships.

 

Yes that could well be the case :) .

 

I hope that when Moscow will return from Libya on next days, they can give a break in Istanbul so I can take pictures.

 

That would be cool :) .

 

I know about Black Sea Harmoni exercises between Russia and Turkey. Actually this naval exercise prepared against of US plan which is called by "Big Middle East Project". In past US tried to enter the Blacksea and deploy there warships which is under name "Blackseafor" help of Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Georgia. Turkey and Russia are responsed quick with that common naval exercise and they gave it a name "Black Sea Harmoni" :)

 

I didn't know that, but I remember seeing pictures of a US Ticonderoga cruiser visiting Bulgaria at one point......sounds like it could have something to do with that :) .