Pilotasso Posted January 28, 2008 Posted January 28, 2008 PoAF number 15140 crashed today and the event was wihtnessed by the locals. Still painted in yellow/ greenish epoxy primer this F-16BM took off from Monte real AB for its intitial tests. After a perfomance take off (verticaly off the runway) the locals reported seeing the plane aquiring a mind of its own as it started to suffer from involuntary imputs on its controll surfaces. The pilot struggled but the random partial rolls made it impossible to land safely forcing him to eject wich was successfull, not far from the base. The plane continued flying on its own for 1 minute before crashing into a forest. This was the 8th MLU to come into service. PoAF had 5 airframes for spares, 1 has already been used to cover for another crash in 2002, it beats the AF to use this stock as attrition reserves again. IMHO this could indicate a failiure in the FBW system or an electrical cablework issue. .
ED Team Groove Posted January 28, 2008 ED Team Posted January 28, 2008 Glad the pilot made it alive and the plane didnt crashed into this residencial areas. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Pilotasso Posted January 28, 2008 Author Posted January 28, 2008 Still this leaves me kinda sad. That panes was the first MLU I saw come off at work. I played arround in its cockpit (cables were still not connected). Its going to further agravate the the delays in the MLU with one less example. .
Kusch Posted January 28, 2008 Posted January 28, 2008 I'm glad the pilot was ok :) Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Pilotasso Posted January 29, 2008 Author Posted January 29, 2008 LOL everybody making jokes about me at work. The pilots got the same name as I am and I did gave assistence to manufacture parts for it. I get alot of index fingers pointing at me today... :lol: .
TorwaK Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 What was block model of the F-16? I'm happy that pilot is survived. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel Core i7-6700K, @5GHz | Asus Maximus Hero VIII | 2 x eVGA GTX 970 SLI | Kingston Predator 16GB DDR4-3000Mhz | 2 x Samsung 850 PRO 240GB RAID-0 | AOC G2460PG G-SYNC LCD | OCULUS RIFT CV1 VR | THRUSTMASTER HOTAS WARTHOG | CH PRO PEDALS
Pilotasso Posted January 29, 2008 Author Posted January 29, 2008 Block 15 ADF into MLU M4 standard, it was the first flight with new block 50 standard avionics. the guy in the midle is my brother! ^^^^ .
VMFA117_Poko Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Well shot photos - only subject unthankful. Good to hear pilot's OK. Isn't it FCS failure - not FBW? IIRC F16 can fly with FBW disable.
mvsgas Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Well shot photos - only subject unthankful. Good to hear pilot's OK. Isn't it FCS failure - not FBW? IIRC F16 can fly with FBW disable. I don't believe there is a way to disable FLCC, There are back ups (depending on the model, there are different ones) But FLCC is always on. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Pilotasso Posted January 29, 2008 Author Posted January 29, 2008 Its impossible to fly F-16 with FBW off. The pilot cannot set if off. Either the FBW system faliure, or 1 of the gyros malfunctioned IMHO is responsible for the crash. .
VMFA117_Poko Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 My bad. I think I heard in past that FWB can be disabled/override but wich aircraft that was...? Su-27?
Pilotasso Posted January 29, 2008 Author Posted January 29, 2008 Its not the FBW but the G/AOA limiter override. 1 .
Slaunyeh Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 Its not the FBW but the G/AOA limiter override. Indeed, FBW can be "reduced" but not disabled. I think there s another disable for limited timefor an "if" fbw cannot trult acess the real situation. 1
Captain R Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Or he was in Lock On and had the autopilot go haywire on him.
mvsgas Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Its not the FBW but the G/AOA limiter override. Indeed, FBW can be "reduced" but not disabled. I think there s another disable for limited timefor an "if" fbw cannot trult acess the real situation. I'm sorry guys, I'm trying to understand what do you guys mean. The only time that you have direct control (relatively speaking, there is no physical connection between the joy stick and the flight surfaces, all inputs go threw the FLCC) is on the ground (weight on wheel switches[A.K.A. WOW] tell the aircraft it is on the ground) during operational checks and when the pitch override (A.K.A. kick) switch is activated. Other wise there is not really and override to the flight computer. The computer will let you over g the jet, and many other thing but is not really an override of the system, AFAIK. You can not stop the FLCC from controlling the jet, I think the only thing that the pitch override does is allow the stabs to go further down in case of a departure from flight but you have to hold the switch there manually , I think anyway. P.S. Also Slaunyeh, the only time the FLCC or DFLCC reduces movement of the flight surfaces (stabs,flaperons and rudder) is with the landing gear down( AFAIK). Other wise, they are normal movement base on certain parameters. An F-16 pilot has very little to do with the actual movement of the flight surface. He tells the computer (threw the joy stick) what he wants and the computer determines witch surface to move, how fast and how much depending on many factor. (speed, altitude, etc.) To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Pilotasso Posted March 14, 2008 Author Posted March 14, 2008 hohoho...preliminary reports from Lockheed Martin are out gents. It seems it was a FBW software fault. I was very close on guessing the cause! .
mvsgas Posted March 15, 2008 Posted March 15, 2008 Man, for a second when I saw this post I thought another F-16 crash To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Pilotasso Posted March 15, 2008 Author Posted March 15, 2008 No, but the next test flight of a new MLU hapened this week without incidents. :) BTW: same pilot! .
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