upyr1 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 I'd like to see the Chinese Aircraft carrier added. Also looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_battle_group#Russia I saw the Kuznetsov's battle group is a Kirov-class battlecruiser (CBGN), a Slava-class cruiser (CG), a Sovremenny-class destroyer (ASuW), a Udaloy-class destroyer (ASW). and a Krivak I/II FFG (ASW). We lack the destroyers 1
Seaeagle Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 I saw the Kuznetsov's battle group is a Kirov-class battlecruiser (CBGN), a Slava-class cruiser (CG), a Sovremenny-class destroyer (ASuW), a Udaloy-class destroyer (ASW). and a Krivak I/II FFG (ASW). It depends - in many cases the Kuznetsov just travels with a couple of escort ships + a submarine, but always with a replenishment ship. E.g. on its very first deployment to the Med(maiden voyage) in 1995, it was accompanied by: 434 "Besstrashny" - projekt 956A/Sovremenny class destroyer 702 "Pylkiy" - projekt 1135.2/Krivak I Mod class frigate K-119 "Voronezh" - projekt 949A/Oscar II class SSGN "Dnestr" - projekt 1559V/Boris Chilikin class tanker "Olekma" - projekt 6404/Olekma class tanker In more recent deployments it usually went with a couple of projekt 1155/Udaloy class large anti-submarine ships + submarine and again the same Boris Chilikin class oiler(now renamed "Sergei Osipov"). Large formations involving also the Slava class and especially the Kirov class are actually fairly rare seen only in large scale exercises and the one recent combat deployment to Syria. This is actually also the case with US aircraft carriers. Its a common misconception that these always travel with half a dozen or more escort ships. We lack the destroyers Amen to that :)
upyr1 Posted September 15, 2021 Author Posted September 15, 2021 On 5/31/2020 at 3:51 PM, Seaeagle said: It depends - in many cases the Kuznetsov just travels with a couple of escort ships + a submarine, but always with a replenishment ship. E.g. on its very first deployment to the Med(maiden voyage) in 1995, it was accompanied by: 434 "Besstrashny" - projekt 956A/Sovremenny class destroyer 702 "Pylkiy" - projekt 1135.2/Krivak I Mod class frigate K-119 "Voronezh" - projekt 949A/Oscar II class SSGN "Dnestr" - projekt 1559V/Boris Chilikin class tanker "Olekma" - projekt 6404/Olekma class tanker In more recent deployments it usually went with a couple of projekt 1155/Udaloy class large anti-submarine ships + submarine and again the same Boris Chilikin class oiler(now renamed "Sergei Osipov"). Large formations involving also the Slava class and especially the Kirov class are actually fairly rare seen only in large scale exercises and the one recent combat deployment to Syria. This is actually also the case with US aircraft carriers. Its a common misconception that these always travel with half a dozen or more escort ships. That is true, the escort is mission based I'd assume the large formations would be used when hunting an American CV battlegroup. I'd love to see the Russian deck crew added as well
Gierasimov Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 On 5/31/2020 at 1:58 PM, upyr1 said: I'd like to see the Chinese Aircraft carrier added January 2020 - Deka had these planned for Marianas: Bomber xxxxx CV-16 AI J-15 AI Type-071 Amphibious Transport Dock AI Type 093 SSN AI Sovremenny Class Destroyer AI I guess bomber is delivered in form of Xian H6, I know Type 071 is there, 093 as well I think. Recently we received skin for J-15 so that is coming. Coming CV-16 I assume refers to Liaoning carrier. Taizhou would be example of destroyer I think but I am not sure I saw any renders yet. On 9/15/2021 at 2:59 PM, upyr1 said: That is true, the escort is mission based I'd assume the large formations would be used when hunting an American CV battlegroup. I'd love to see the Russian deck crew added as well There was some sort of plan in the past as there were screenshots as there are several crew members visible in Model Viewer. Intel i7-13700KF :: ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI D4 :: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta
Harlikwin Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gierasimov said: January 2020 - Deka had these planned for Marianas: Bomber xxxxx CV-16 AI J-15 AI Type-071 Amphibious Transport Dock AI Type 093 SSN AI Sovremenny Class Destroyer AI I guess bomber is delivered in form of Xian H6, I know Type 071 is there, 093 as well I think. Recently we received skin for J-15 so that is coming. Coming CV-16 I assume refers to Liaoning carrier. Taizhou would be example of destroyer I think but I am not sure I saw any renders yet. There was some sort of plan in the past as there were screenshots as there are several crew members visible in Model Viewer. There already are several chinese destroyers and frigates in game now. So you can "kinda" simulate a Chinese CV group using the Kuz and su-33 even if its "wrong". But gotta wait on the H6 to de-bugged so it can use ASM's. On 9/15/2021 at 6:59 AM, upyr1 said: That is true, the escort is mission based I'd assume the large formations would be used when hunting an American CV battlegroup. I'd love to see the Russian deck crew added as well Maybe maybe not, I'd assume that soviet SAG's might operate independently from the CV groups. At least that did happen in the cold war. Edited September 20, 2021 by Harlikwin New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
upyr1 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Posted September 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Gierasimov said: January 2020 - Deka had these planned for Marianas: Bomber xxxxx CV-16 AI J-15 AI Type-071 Amphibious Transport Dock AI Type 093 SSN AI Sovremenny Class Destroyer AI I guess bomber is delivered in form of Xian H6, I know Type 071 is there, 093 as well I think. Recently we received skin for J-15 so that is coming. Coming CV-16 I assume refers to Liaoning carrier. You are correct on the cv-16. I hope we get Russian Sovremeny destroyers and not just the Chinese ones. I also hope the tu-16 is planned 3 hours ago, Gierasimov said: Taizhou would be example of destroyer I think but I am not sure I saw any renders yet. There was some sort of plan in the past as there were screenshots as there are several crew members visible in Model Viewer. I will take a look
Gierasimov Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 As far as I am aware or understand the purpose of CAP is to bring Chinese units only, perhaps ED will do Tu-16 but I don't see that particular bomber on a high priority as we have H6 now. Same goes for Russian destroyers, again up to ED but I don't expect them from the Deka as part of Chinese Asset Pack. As for the crew for Kuz, I think at one point it was planned or served as a test bed for US crew: 1 Intel i7-13700KF :: ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI D4 :: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta
upyr1 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Posted September 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Gierasimov said: As far as I am aware or understand the purpose of CAP is to bring Chinese units only, perhaps ED will do Tu-16 but I don't see that particular bomber on a high priority as we have H6 now. Same goes for Russian destroyers, again up to ED but I don't expect them from the Deka as part of Chinese Asset Pack. The Tu-16 and H-6 are basically the same except for the payload. As for the Sovremeny it is even easier. Just add Russia, Ukraine, the USSR and whoever else to the countries list 7 minutes ago, Gierasimov said: As for the crew for Kuz, I think at one point it was planned or served as a test bed for US crew: I hope they change their minds again. 1
Harlikwin Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) Just now, upyr1 said: The Tu-16 and H-6 are basically the same except for the payload. As for the Sovremeny it is even easier. Just add Russia, Ukraine, the USSR and whoever else to the countries list I hope they change their minds again. Aw man, that would be an awesome deck crew to have on the Kuz. Or at least they could add some sort of way to line up with the chocks for the SU-33 aside from the terrible trial and error it is these days. Edited September 20, 2021 by Harlikwin New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
upyr1 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Harlikwin said: There already are several chinese destroyers and frigates in game now. So you can "kinda" simulate a Chinese CV group using the Kuz and su-33 even if its "wrong". The problem is the su-33 doesn't Carry anti-ship missiles while the Kuznetsov does 2 hours ago, Harlikwin said: But gotta wait on the H6 to de-bugged so it can use ASM's. Maybe maybe not, I'd assume that soviet SAG's might operate independently from the CV groups. At least that did happen in the cold war. That might be possible, I would like to know if anyone has more definitive information.
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