Pugachev's Cobra, uses and abuses!

[000BIGMAC000]

I don't doubt that...but what I mean is, physically, the airplane is going too slowly to create enough tail down force to push the nose of the aircraft up.

[Peyoteros]

Yeehaa, Got one more kill with the great help of Cobra maneuver! Sneaked from behind on F15C, was low and coming in fast (Mig-29S), launched R-27ET missile, no clue how or why, he spotted the launch (I was below and behind) anyway he flared away (bas-tard!), launched one more R-27ET missile, same story, couldn't believe my luck, cos was coming in fast, was already in range for R-73, ahh, you don't wanna know, anyway, F15 escaped both R-73 :mad: bah... Had 2 x R-77 remaining, but was closer than minimum range, so had to use cannon. F15C did all he could, well, wasn't good enough, so I scratched his tail and the belly :), Scratches wasn't lethal thou and cannon ammo was all gone. The only remaining weapons was 2 x R-77, but "F15C" was still too close for the launch, and thats where Cobra came in handy... While performing "Cobra" dropped speed from about 500 km/h to 320 and got the gap needed for R-77 to shooomm shooomm :D.

Oh, adrenaline was all over the place... Wish you the same or better.

Took this screen shot moments before the first launch... couldn't take any more while chasing F15, sorry, was in "tunnel vision" and all limbs were involved in the chase...

(Have Cobra button handy)

 

Wish You All Clear Blue Sky

 

YEEHAA

 

:pilotfly:

[000BIGMAC000]

Good stuff! I love fights that really pull you into the sim...where you forget that you're sitting in a chair! ....I guess the point I'm trying to make about the cobra is that outside of the sim, it probably wouldn't react in the same predictable way.

[Peyoteros]

I dunno mate, the only Cobra I get to try is in LOMAC. Most of the guys and military pilots claims that Cobra is just an "eye candy" in real world, well, for me is far more than that, for me it's free adrenaline overdose :D

 

YEEHAA

[Peyoteros]

Anyone else uses Cobra to score?

 

Before you get some dirty thoughts, Cobra, as Pugachev's Cobra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev's_Cobra, and score, as kill in LOMAC, OK?!! :thumbup:

[Mugatu]

Yeah Maverick in top gun :)

[000BIGMAC000]

one question, do you have multiple bandits around, or are you doing 1v1?

[Peyoteros]

Hi there, Cobra is opportunity maneuver, you don't plan to use Cobra as,- Oh now I'm going to use Cobra on this bandit... You just realize in the dogfight that now it's the moment, that Cobra is the "thing" to do in this situation and you do it. Mostly 1vs1. Even if you engage two bandits you try to get both of them from BVR, but sometimes you get in situation when Cobra pops in to your mind as only one thing to do. And yes I believe Cobra can not be used against 2 bandits at the same time, so it must be 1 vs 1 maneuver.

[Peyoteros]

Em I the only one who uses Cobra to score? :noexpression: Su-25T is not Cobra friendly :D

[Pilotasso]

Yeehaa, Got one more kill with the great help of Cobra maneuver! Sneaked from behind on F15C, was low and coming in fast (Mig-29S), launched R-27ET missile, no clue how or why, he spotted the launch (I was below and behind) anyway he flared away (bas-tard!), launched one more R-27ET missile, same story, couldn't believe my luck, cos was coming in fast, was already in range for R-73, ahh, you don't wanna know, anyway, F15 escaped both R-73 :mad: bah... Had 2 x R-77 remaining, but was closer than minimum range, so had to use cannon. F15C did all he could, well, wasn't good enough, so I scratched his tail and the belly :), Scratches wasn't lethal thou and cannon ammo was all gone. The only remaining weapons was 2 x R-77, but "F15C" was still too close for the launch, and thats where Cobra came in handy... While performing "Cobra" dropped speed from about 500 km/h to 320 and got the gap needed for R-77 to shooomm shooomm :D.

Oh, adrenaline was all over the place... Wish you the same or better.

Took this screen shot moments before the first launch... couldn't take any more while chasing F15, sorry, was in "tunnel vision" and all limbs were involved in the chase...

(Have Cobra button handy)

 

Wish You All Clear Blue Sky

 

YEEHAA

 

:pilotfly:

 

Take no offense but your story sounds a little bit "vitamin enriched". I also never heard of cobra manuever as an offensive tactic like that where a barrell roll with airbrakes would achieve the same result and without risking loosing sight of the target. I also wasnt aware you could do a cobra at 500km/h in LOMAC. By the time slow down enought to do it, it wouldnt be needed in your fight scenario anyway.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Well i dont know if this high AoA maneouvers could be used in combat with success or not.

 

I only know that Su-27 family could do this extrem AoA maneouvers and, in my oppinion, maybe in certain situations in combat could be used.

 

This graphics could add more info about what kind of situations i am speaking about.

 

[Pilotasso]

Those manuevers cant be donne without being able to see through the cockpits floor otherwise you might find yourslef ending the cobra in the wrong spot in time ans space, not to mention it would require luke skywalker himself to make such a prediction of the targets position. While in a cobra you cant manuever at all. Your in stable stall. So you have to make a guess prior to the manuever. Meanwhile the target can change course and invalidate your predition.

[GGTharos]

^^^^ What he said. :D And,

 

Note that in the first picture the Su-27 is already dead. Clear sky silhouette with your enemy almost pointing at your tailpipe? The AIM-9 can be fired some 30-35 deg off-bore. lastly, the Su-27 doesn't have exclusive use of what's depicted there ... almost any aircraft can pull this off to some degree or another.

You can do most of these maneuvers in LO anyway, and you'll find that the opportunity doesn't always present itself. In particular, if the opponent remains fast and does his due dillingence with respect to countermeasures etc, you've just committed suicide.

[Esac_mirmidon]

I add this graphics only for info not for defend anything.

 

In the Kolokol the vision is 0 but in the Huk and in the Kobra the pilot could see the target all the way through.

 

And i need to say again, it is very difficult to use this maneouvers in real combat but knowing that your plan is able to do it is better than knowing you cant.

[Pilotasso]

We were merely making observations to the material presented. Nothing else.

[Teknetinium]

When U make cobra in lomac ur speed stay the same through whole execution off the maneuver, While in Real flight u would obviously lose speed, which could help in some situations,

Don't tel me that u never been in Positions where u wished that ur plain could go just a lite bit slower. u need to judge bandits speed when making cobra if ur bandit have a lot off energy it can be suicide, but when both plains are on their maximum AOA I believe it could save ur day.

[Peyoteros]

Take no offense but your story sounds a little bit "vitamin enriched". I also never heard of cobra manuever as an offensive tactic like that where a barrell roll with airbrakes would achieve the same result and without risking loosing sight of the target. I also wasnt aware you could do a cobra at 500km/h in LOMAC. By the time slow down enought to do it, it wouldnt be needed in your fight scenario anyway.

 

none taken,

 

about your analysis ...

 

What can I say man, I did what I did, it worked well for me, and there was no risk of loosing something (F15) out of sight which was already scratched in prior by the "cannon" and have one engine smoking, or pieces of tail or wing missing, secondly I stated that my speed was "about" 500, which is also true if my speed was 450 or 420, with your vitamin enriched... I was having some Red Bull...,

Do you think I'm making up the story? All I wanted is to share my portion of adrenaline with guys... and all this is about having balls to attempt to do something new, something unknown, not everyone is experienced as you are... and I wasn't thinking about the outcome, any outcome was good for me, everything was for fun anyway. Once again, no intent to insult you or show any disrespect. Have a great day!

[Pilotasso]

I dont say you were making up the story rather that enthusiasm in your story seems to cloud accuracy and objectivity.

LAst time I checked Cobra in LOMAC usualy works closer to 400 km/h than 500. Thats a big difference.

[Peyoteros]

I dont say you were making up the story rather that enthusiasm in your story seems to cloud accuracy and objectivity.

LAst time I checked Cobra in LOMAC usualy works closer to 400 km/h than 500. Thats a big difference.

 

jeee man, sure thing it clouds accuracy, not every day I score in thrilling (for myself) way and Mr. and Mrs. Adrenaline came and clouded my mind, so I "accidentally" typed 70 km/h more than it was :poster_oops: solly, mm'key? :( Didn't know that details are so important, next time I'll turn the story tell in to accurate report :P I really hope you understand that at the time I was typing the post, my hands were still shaking of Mrs. Adrenaline, the way she touched me :D and I did not paid much attention to the details ... Thanks for the tip (barrel roll with air brake) I may use it some time...

In fact I'm glad about it, my inaccuracy draw your attention made you post here... whatever it takes dude, whatever it takes... (it was a trap from the beginning) muahaha :lol:

Thanks, thread was almost dead. :smilewink:

P.S. Something tells me that you mostly fly F15C :eek:, ==> Y/N? ..:blow:

[Peyoteros]

Those manuevers cant be donne without being able to see through the cockpits floor otherwise you might find yourslef ending the cobra in the wrong spot in time ans space, not to mention it would require luke skywalker himself to make such a prediction of the targets position. While in a cobra you cant manuever at all. Your in stable stall. So you have to make a guess prior to the manuever. Meanwhile the target can change course and invalidate your predition.

 

As people in Russia says (proverb) "If afraid of the wolf, don't go in to the woods"...

 

I add this graphics only for info not for defend anything.

 

In the Kolokol the vision is 0 but in the Huk and in the Kobra the pilot could see the target all the way through.

 

And i need to say again, it is very difficult to use this maneouvers in real combat but knowing that your plan is able to do it is better than knowing you cant.

 

Agree on this one

 

When U make cobra in lomac ur speed stay the same through whole execution off the maneuver, While in Real flight u would obviously lose speed, which could help in some situations,

Don't tel me that u never been in Positions where u wished that ur plain could go just a lite bit slower. u need to judge bandits speed when making cobra if ur bandit have a lot off energy it can be suicide, but when both plains are on their maximum AOA I believe it could save ur day.

 

Well, not sure about the others, but I lose about half of initial speed I had before Cobra...

 

 

As I've said before, I believe, it's an opportunity maneuver, no guarantee of success whatsoever... There is a moment for it, if you were waiting and ready (and have balls for it), you do it, whatever outcome... it's only simulator after all...:thumbup: