stormrider Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) I'd like to request this new hotas "special for joystick" assignment - 2 Stage Trigger where the trigger acts as the Laser activation while in CCRP A-G mode and as the normal gun trigger in all other modes. Edited June 17, 2020 by stormridersp Banned by cunts.
Frederf Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 You can simply use the 2nd stage trigger command. It will fire the laser in AG and won't fire the gun.
stormrider Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 But with that, someone without a 2-stage trigger capable joystick is unable to fire gun anymore, correct? Banned by cunts.
FoxOne007 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 But with that, someone without a 2-stage trigger capable joystick is unable to fire gun anymore, correct? Depends what you set your trigger too, I would recommend keeping your joystick trigger as gun trigger and just bind the 1st detent to either a different button on your stick/throttle or your keyboard [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Fri13 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 But what does he suggest is a special HOTAS mode. Understandable by limited hardware with only single stage triggers. It could be made "smart" so that if you are close to release rockets or bombs it is for laser designation, and if you are performing a gun strafe then it acts as gun trigger. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
stormrider Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) But what does he suggest is a special HOTAS mode. Understandable by limited hardware with only single stage triggers. It could be made "smart" so that if you are close to release rockets or bombs it is for laser designation, and if you are performing a gun strafe then it acts as gun trigger. Exactly. It already works by default somewhat like that. When in CCRP mode, if you press the trigger it won't fire the gun (I think by default it will turn the hud camera on). To use the gun one can press NWS/MSL STEP Button in A-G mode to change from CCRP to Gun. So, what I'm suggesting here is a "Special for Joystick" button assignment that when in CCRP mode specifically, the trigger will fire the laser as in the 1st trigger detent. In whatever other mode, the trigger acts as the 2nd trigger detent. Edited June 17, 2020 by stormridersp Banned by cunts.
Frederf Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 I'm telling you just bind your joystick's trigger to 2nd detent. Leave the 1st detent unbound. It will do exactly what you want to happen.
stormrider Posted June 18, 2020 Author Posted June 18, 2020 I'm telling you just bind your joystick's trigger to 2nd detent. Leave the 1st detent unbound. It will do exactly what you want to happen. Ok, I just tested it and no, what you're saying doesn't work. I guess anybody without a 2 stage trigger joystick, by default, has the 2nd trigger detent already assigned to the Trigger button, because ofcourse, it fires the gun. But, when in CCRP, pressing the trigger does not fire the laser. So, again, what I'm asking is a "special for joystick assignment" where pressing the trigger in CCRP mode only, fires the laser. Banned by cunts.
Snake122 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 I'm telling you just bind your joystick's trigger to 2nd detent. Leave the 1st detent unbound. It will do exactly what you want to happen. That's not what happens when I try it. L never flashes with first detent unbound and second detent held to impact which misses using CCRP with TGP. First detent then bound to another button and L flashes the whole time it is held and results in a hit. It would be great for us that don't have a 2 stage could do this. I plan to use my X65F for F-16 for a long time still (I have spares) since it's force sensitive. My really only complaint about it is the lack of 2 stage trigger. I7-9700KF@5ghz, 32GB DDR4 3200, RTX 3090, Pimax 5k+, Virpil T-50CM2 base with Warthog, F/A-18, T-50cm, and VFX grips, Saitek X65F, Saitek Switch Panel, TM Cougar MFDs, TM TPR pedals, JetSeat and bass pucks, H640P for VRK, PointCtrl 3rd Space Vest project for basic G Seat/G Suit simulation
stormrider Posted June 18, 2020 Author Posted June 18, 2020 That's not what happens when I try it. L never flashes with first detent unbound and second detent held to impact which misses using CCRP with TGP. First detent then bound to another button and L flashes the whole time it is held and results in a hit. It would be great for us that don't have a 2 stage could do this. I plan to use my X65F for F-16 for a long time still (I have spares) since it's force sensitive. My really only complaint about it is the lack of 2 stage trigger. I agree. I have the CH pack and since COVID forced unemployed, upgrading the pots to contactless is by far a friendlier bugdet option than £270 Thurstmaster stuff for me. My only complaint in the lack of 2 stage trigger as well. Banned by cunts.
Frederf Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) Ok, I just tested it and no, what you're saying doesn't work. I guess anybody without a 2 stage trigger joystick, by default, has the 2nd trigger detent already assigned to the Trigger button, because ofcourse, it fires the gun. But, when in CCRP, pressing the trigger does not fire the laser. So, again, what I'm asking is a "special for joystick assignment" where pressing the trigger in CCRP mode only, fires the laser. Sorry, that's what should happen because that's what really happens in the real airplane. The fix isn't to add a new fantasy command but to model the F-16 properly within DCS. Developers did not consider the situation properly and don't account for pressing only second detent command which is physically impossible in real airplane. This oversight was probably caused because several popular joysticks which have dual-stage triggers with this additive button behavior. When you pull the trigger all the way in the real F-16 the laser fires under the appropriate conditions. The fix is for DCS to consider every time that second detent trigger is pressed to also do all the first detent trigger actions regardless of key command for first detent is activated or not. That way you can only use the full press of the trigger for CCRP lasing to your heart's content. All I can suggest right now is to use joystick-keyboard emulation software to macro output two separate keys simultaneously and then bind one key to 1st detent and the second key to 2nd detent. Then every time you pull the trigger you'll get the full trigger pull effects. Edited June 18, 2020 by Frederf
Snake122 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 Sorry, that's what should happen because that's what really happens in the real airplane. The fix isn't to add a new fantasy command but to model the F-16 properly within DCS. Developers did not consider the situation properly and don't account for pressing only second detent command which is physically impossible in real airplane. This oversight was probably caused because several popular joysticks which have dual-stage triggers with this additive button behavior. When you pull the trigger all the way in the real F-16 the laser fires under the appropriate conditions. The fix is for DCS to consider every time that second detent trigger is pressed to also do all the first detent trigger actions regardless of key command for first detent is activated or not. That way you can only use the full press of the trigger for CCRP lasing to your heart's content. All I can suggest right now is to use joystick-keyboard emulation software to macro output two separate keys simultaneously and then bind one key to 1st detent and the second key to 2nd detent. Then every time you pull the trigger you'll get the full trigger pull effects. We agree with basically the solution is what his asking for in a different wording :lol: We all agree that this would be more realistic than the what I'm doing now with holding down a random throttle button that doesn't exist on the F-16 throttle. I considered a macro but A. trying to move to a pure DX button in DCS mapping and B. concerned that I it would make my gun and/or laser intermittent. I7-9700KF@5ghz, 32GB DDR4 3200, RTX 3090, Pimax 5k+, Virpil T-50CM2 base with Warthog, F/A-18, T-50cm, and VFX grips, Saitek X65F, Saitek Switch Panel, TM Cougar MFDs, TM TPR pedals, JetSeat and bass pucks, H640P for VRK, PointCtrl 3rd Space Vest project for basic G Seat/G Suit simulation
stormrider Posted June 19, 2020 Author Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) Sorry, that's what should happen because that's what really happens in the real airplane. The fix isn't to add a new fantasy command but to model the F-16 properly within DCS. Developers did not consider the situation properly and don't account for pressing only second detent command which is physically impossible in real airplane. This oversight was probably caused because several popular joysticks which have dual-stage triggers with this additive button behavior. When you pull the trigger all the way in the real F-16 the laser fires under the appropriate conditions. The fix is for DCS to consider every time that second detent trigger is pressed to also do all the first detent trigger actions regardless of key command for first detent is activated or not. That way you can only use the full press of the trigger for CCRP lasing to your heart's content. All I can suggest right now is to use joystick-keyboard emulation software to macro output two separate keys simultaneously and then bind one key to 1st detent and the second key to 2nd detent. Then every time you pull the trigger you'll get the full trigger pull effects. Thinking this way, you're right. Thank you. Perhaps this thread should now be moved to Controllers & Input Bugs. Edited June 19, 2020 by stormridersp Banned by cunts.
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