Ld10s range versus capabilities

[sublime]

According to google searches and the hsd range thing on HSD the LS10 has a eespectable roughly 30nm range..

In practice (stable) it is NOT that range. More like 10 miles max before the comp even says its in range.

Whats the story?

[razo+r]

Well, range depends on many factors.

 

What were your parameters at launch?

[Tiger-II]

I see the same thing.

 

 

LD-10 max range is only achievable when launched from 45000 ft at Mach 1.0.

 

 

It has DCS HARM guidance, and right now won't loft or otherwise fly correctly. It will fly straight at the target, which is not what HARMs do, generally.

 

 

LD-10 should fly at any emitting source, and you should in theory be able to shoot down aircraft with it as well (as long as they keep their RADAR on and aren't really maneuvering). Good for shooting AWACS.

[Chiron]

I see the same thing.

 

 

LD-10 max range is only achievable when launched from 45000 ft at Mach 1.0.

 

 

It has DCS HARM guidance, and right now won't loft or otherwise fly correctly. It will fly straight at the target, which is not what HARMs do, generally.

 

 

LD-10 should fly at any emitting source, and you should in theory be able to shoot down aircraft with it as well (as long as they keep their RADAR on and aren't really maneuvering). Good for shooting AWACS.

 

yea u know but i think this shoot not working anymore

[Tiger-II]

yea u know but i think this shoot not working anymore

 

 

How do you mean?

[AeriaGloria]

I see the same thing.

 

 

LD-10 max range is only achievable when launched from 45000 ft at Mach 1.0.

 

 

It has DCS HARM guidance, and right now won't loft or otherwise fly correctly. It will fly straight at the target, which is not what HARMs do, generally.

 

 

LD-10 should fly at any emitting source, and you should in theory be able to shoot down aircraft with it as well (as long as they keep their RADAR on and aren't really maneuvering). Good for shooting AWACS.

 

I loft them all the time? When far enough away always in DIR in sometimes in PASSIVE after detection

[L0op8ack]

In SP and PASSIVE mode, target is caught by seeker, no range data available, no loft can be applied.

In ACT mode, range data can be used for loft.

[nighthawk2174]

This is just a thought but couldn't you get range via the seeker with some trig? If you know the angle at say t=0 and then take the angle a few seconds latter say t=3, and keep track of how far you've traveled, couldn't that information be used to get range data accurate enough for a loft profile? Or even just have it so it keeps the certain its nose a certain degree value above the target, turned on if the jet points its nose far enough up, and base this angle off the los rate change / loft up to a certain alt, if the los rate starts to change really fast then start having the seeker move towards the target.

[Tiger-II]

This is just a thought but couldn't you get range via the seeker with some trig? If you know the angle at say t=0 and then take the angle a few seconds latter say t=3, and keep track of how far you've traveled, couldn't that information be used to get range data accurate enough for a loft profile? Or even just have it so it keeps the certain its nose a certain degree value above the target, turned on if the jet points its nose far enough up, and base this angle off the los rate change / loft up to a certain alt, if the los rate starts to change really fast then start having the seeker move towards the target.

 

 

We've gone from missile operation to missile guidance design! :D

 

 

Yes, you could. There is sufficient data available that integration of angles and rates is exactly how the real unit ranges.

 

I'm not sure in the case of Jeff/LD-10 but in the case of the HARM on F-16, the aircraft has the processing capability to use seeker data to determine threat location and range, which is then programmed into the missile as target data (approximate position) prior to firing.

 

The missile can fly to the last approximate location, and will position update if the emitter goes active for any reason. PK is still extremely low if the emitter is OFF in the terminal phase, but it will get the missile to the target area.

 

ACT mode of LD-10 is supposed to do something similar, but it does it based on pilot entered coordinates, not system determined position.

Edited June 18, 2020 by Tiger-II

[sublime]

*slaps forehead*

This chinese kit is rlly new to me

I meant sd 10s.

Lmao

Sorry

I only ever get kills what seems below sparrow range

[AeriaGloria]

Well that depends on launch conditions altitude and speed. It won’t go much farther then Sparrow at low altitude

[sublime]

Ok makes sense

This is all anecdotal.and ill add i dont have a lot of high slt experience

 

O/T but if anyones.good w

.comps and wants a reward.of money or a module.for fixing a dcs issue for.me pls pm me. Im desperate

[Tiger-II]

Ok makes sense

This is all anecdotal.and ill add i dont have a lot of high slt experience

High altitude means: reduced maneuverability, lack of thrust, and minimum speed/Mach number is higher than at sea-level.

 

 

If the best turn rate of the JF-17 is 340 kts at sea-level, then at high altitude it's around 450 kts.

 

 

Missiles fly further at high altitude, but the aircraft must ideally be faster than Mach 1.0 when launched (this is quite hard in the Jeff - I find she's happiest around Mach 0.90).

 

 

O/T but if anyones.good w

.comps and wants a reward.of money or a module.for fixing a dcs issue for.me pls pm me. Im desperate

 

 

What's wrong with DCS?

[sublime]

High altitude means: reduced maneuverability, lack of thrust, and minimum speed/Mach number is higher than at sea-level.

 

 

If the best turn rate of the JF-17 is 340 kts at sea-level, then at high altitude it's around 450 kts.

 

 

Missiles fly further at high altitude, but the aircraft must ideally be faster than Mach 1.0 when launched (this is quite hard in the Jeff - I find she's happiest around Mach 0.90).

 

 

 

 

 

What's wrong with DCS?

 

 

I need a copt of dcs release and open beta

Using cmd to switch takes about 3 hrs 1.5 each way

Dce campaigns needs release

My.mp.needs.opem beta

Yet cmd r says it works it only.sets.to release.

Ecen usinf the command to revert to open betas code versiom numbwr disnt work.

I know this ia possivle

As far as I can fwll skafwzillas.progeam.only.does what i can do typing. I could be wrong. But i know its possible

[AeriaGloria]

I don’t know what half those words mean but Skatezilla makes it pretty easy. Open beta is not a set version number, it changes when there is a patch. You can change to that old branch, but it’s no longer open beta.

[sublime]

I don’t know what half those words mean but Skatezilla makes it pretty easy. Open beta is not a set version number, it changes when there is a patch. You can change to that old branch, but it’s no longer open beta.

 

Ok ill rewrite

Skarezilla seems to just do what typing also does or am I wrong? I watched the vid repeadtedly

I know how to use dos.

Again - i can switch versions.

Yet it takes about 1.5 hrs to change to and from. Tgats nuts. I know others have dual installs. So i do so. Listen everytbing works. The commands work. But it refuses to change to open beta.

You misunderstood the version number thing. I was pointing out i googled what version open beta is now and entered the dos cmds to revert to that. As entering open beta led to.. release. Oh the command would go thru like it worked. But nothing changes it to release

Im offering a module or 40 usd reward if soemone can fix this.

I cant omay dce on open beta. I cant fly with my squad in release

Is that clearer? Last night was late. I was buzzed

[sublime]

I don’t know what half those words mean but Skatezilla makes it pretty easy. Open beta is not a set version number, it changes when there is a patch. You can change to that old branch, but it’s no longer open beta.

 

Again with the fiest 2nd install then deleted and another install dce_updater.exe update @opem beta

Runs fine

Open its release

Enter cmds to revert but put opem betas #s? Runs.. and you get the release.

It does switch back and forth on install 1. But i know its possible.to have both. I need help and im.asking for.it '- please.

[AeriaGloria]

You can open a ticket for support. Just there’s a lot of people who will gladly help you at no cost. Of course generosity is nice, just saying

[sublime]

You can open a ticket for support. Just there’s a lot of people who will gladly help you at no cost. Of course generosity is nice, just saying

 

Have done that as well ty

[Chiron]

i dont know what is the problem here but u can make 2 copies if u have free space in your PC

 

first copy open beta

 

second copy stable

 

or u can just download Stable on another computer and just copy it to yours

 

:gun_smilie:

 

is that what u want ?

[Harlikwin]

*slaps forehead*

This chinese kit is rlly new to me

I meant sd 10s.

Lmao

Sorry

I only ever get kills what seems below sparrow range

 

I can routinely get 45nm Kills with the SD10 at high alt against non maneuvering targets coming at me.

 

Range is 100% dependent on kinematics. Your speed/alt vs target speed/alt/heading. At low altitude its gonna be 10ish miles at best, or even 5 if they guy is running. That's just how ALL missiles work.

[sublime]

Well yes i understand basic ballistics and being a primarily f14 sriber i use speed and height routinely with phoenixes

Irl can sd10s fire supersonic? Most missiles *cannot*

In a sterile "sand box" enviroment these.45k ft shots are good but in a sce campaign fightinng the west or MP youre gonna find out when an amraam or worsen phoenix goes maddog you have serious problems.

Much safer lower.

And again. I get how.missiles work and theres a disparitty betweenn aim. 9 and aimm7 ranges on paper and irl too. But we are talking they say aim 9s can fire say 11 nm miles when 6 is pushing it.

The ld10 - again anecetally and going off the in game arc that shows weapon range - not only is the pk almost zero unless under 12nm.or so but your chances ahain are almost totally zero.unless told to fire.

Im just still tryinf to wrap.my.head arnd even china or pakistan having a bvr missile thats so insanely short ranted yet is a fox 3. It smells wrong

[Chiron]

Well yes i understand basic ballistics and being a primarily f14 sriber i use speed and height routinely with phoenixes

Irl can sd10s fire supersonic? Most missiles *cannot*

In a sterile "sand box" enviroment these.45k ft shots are good but in a sce campaign fightinng the west or MP youre gonna find out when an amraam or worsen phoenix goes maddog you have serious problems.

Much safer lower.

And again. I get how.missiles work and theres a disparitty betweenn aim. 9 and aimm7 ranges on paper and irl too. But we are talking they say aim 9s can fire say 11 nm miles when 6 is pushing it.

The ld10 - again anecetally and going off the in game arc that shows weapon range - not only is the pk almost zero unless under 12nm.or so but your chances ahain are almost totally zero.unless told to fire.

Im just still tryinf to wrap.my.head arnd even china or pakistan having a bvr missile thats so insanely short ranted yet is a fox 3. It smells wrong

 

i am confused are u talking about SD-10 or LD-10 ?????

 

if SD-10 then yes if u are flying in low alt your 70% of kill will be in 10nm maybe 12nm in MP cuz SD-10 is very easy to notch so the situation is Fly high watch for long shoot by observing missile Vapors and u will have time to defend before its go active ( Aim-120c seems they reduced Vapor density i think cuz i failed many times to see the long shoot so good luck with that ) go for angel 40 with 0.9 Mach and shoot SD-10 between 30nm to 25nm and go defensive as much as u can 35nm shoot i see it not dangerous unless the target is totally dont know that there is a missile coming and anyway even 22nm missile can be defeated if the defender is skillful enough but once u hit the ground and u are flying low dont shoot above 12nm separation unless u are just pushing him to defend and reduce the range and also good luck with defeating Aim-120c from this distance :smoke:

[sublime]

I meant LD10 LOL sorry

Its WEIRD to me a fox 3 missile seems to have sparrow range. Ill ass the HSD shows a range that doesnt reflect reality at all. It looks like a 30 mile missile. Its barely above a pl 5 imo.

Also whats missile bit and the rest of the ld10 options? Useless atm right?

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The sead missiles arent perfect but neither are garms. But the Ld10s are VERY disappounting. I dont get a shoot cue until the planes in WVr or ridicusly close.

Is this realistic? Unknown?

[Tiger-II]

I meant LD10 LOL sorry

LOL

 

 

Its WEIRD to me a fox 3 missile seems to have sparrow range. Ill ass the HSD shows a range that doesnt reflect reality at all. It looks like a 30 mile missile. Its barely above a pl 5 imo.

Kinematics/physics. What it is intended for doesn't change anything. Its design is what matters.

 

 

 

Also whats missile bit and the rest of the ld10 options? Useless atm right?

Which options?

 

 

 

The sead missiles arent perfect but neither are garms. But the Ld10s are VERY disappounting. I dont get a shoot cue until the planes in WVr or ridicusly close.

Is this realistic? Unknown?

HARM is the missile. SEAD is the mission.

 

 

HARM = High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile

 

 

SEAD = Suppression of Enemy Air Defense

 

 

If you're low, then they have short range. You must be high altitude to get the long-range shots.