Depleted Uranium - 7 part video

[Kuky]

I have found this to be very nice documentary on use of depleted uranium ammunition. It gets more and more "interesting" towards the end, very sad if you ask me :noexpression:

 

Part 1

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=551_1179479196

Part 2

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=07f_1179478973

Part 3

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=57a_1179478727

Part 4

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=424_1179478455

Part 5

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d34_1179478081

Part 6

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=434_1179477832

Part 7

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8cf_1179477508

[Geier]

afaik depleted uranium is also used in avenger rounds

[Geier]

Watching now.

Very interesting, Thx for sharing, Kuky

[TorwaK]

lots of things to say, but it's better to no comment about it. Thanks for sharing Kuky.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

We are talking nuclear (dirty?) weapons here?

[192nd_Erdem]

Mainly DU tank rounds, not "nuclear" as in nuclear bomb.

[leafer]

I'm glad you posted them here.

[GGTharos]

DU isn't 'dirty' in terms of radiation, or at least, that's not the primary problem with it. Uranium is a heavy metal and, like all heavy metals, it is highly toxic. It's a poison. Nevermind radioactivity. It's like lead poisoning taken to the next level or two.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Mainly DU tank rounds, not "nuclear" as in nuclear bomb.

You are right. It is not nuclear. It is actally radioactive.

[Kuky]

DU is radioactive but not as much as natural Uranium. In that video you'd see there are 4 isotopes which is basically nuclear waste from process of enriching Uranium. It's toxic as heavy metal but also can and does destroy and modify human molecules and cells even DNA. It causes genetic (DNA) disorders, cancers and what not else...

[GGTharos]

^^^^

And that's very much a product of its toxicity ... radiation is a secondary factor in this case. Remember, you don't need fission to modify DNA, chemistry alone is sufficient :)

[Kuky]

Well actually all chemical proccesses are based on Physics on deeper level... it's interaction of energies of electrons in atoms... which is actually Physics.

[GGTharos]

I wouldn't know, I only did studies on this stuff in the National Research Council ;)

[Kuky]

I wouldn't know, I only did studies on this stuff in the National Research Council ;)

 

I studied this at UNI.

[GGTharos]

What program? :D Out of curiosity.

[Kuky]

Applied Physics

[D-Scythe]

You are right. It is not nuclear. It is actally radioactive.

 

Almost everything is radioactive. The question isn't whether it's radioactive or not, it's how radioactive. And from what I've seen, GG's right - DU exerts most of its damaging effects through heavy metal poisoning, not radioactivity.

 

It's toxic as heavy metal but also can and does destroy and modify human molecules and cells even DNA. It causes genetic (DNA) disorders, cancers and what not else...

 

Everything you listed IS a DNA disorder. A mutation in DNA causes everything you mentioned. Which should be the least of your problems, since you'll die from heavy metal poisoning far before you die from radiation with depleted uranium.

[Kuky]

Cancer is caused by cell mutation... DNA disorders are causing physical deformities... there's a difference.

[Groove]

Just dont inhale the DU aerosol.

[Geier]

DU is radioactive but not as much as natural Uranium. In that video you'd see there are 4 isotopes which is basically nuclear waste from process of enriching Uranium. It's toxic as heavy metal but also can and does destroy and modify human molecules and cells even DNA. It causes genetic (DNA) disorders, cancers and what not else...

 

I rememdered that woman who sayed she have not even taken part in combat actions in Iraq but medics found a heavy metal poisoning in 99. And that retired colonel who made a foto of shell and DU dust is seen at this foto.

[D-Scythe]

Cancer is caused by cell mutation... DNA disorders are causing physical deformities... there's a difference.

 

Don't quit your day job. Think about it - your body has billions of cells. One single cell with a mutated genome isn't gonna do squat unless it successfully can replicate and carry its DNA to the next generation of cells. Thus, your "cell mutation" argument is just wrong - cells are temporary, but their DNA is permanent.

 

DNA mutations happen all the time - at a very low rate, but it's evolutionary advantageous to allow some degree of mutation in an organism so that the new genotypes can be experimented with through natural selection. In any case, mutations in DNA can cause altered function in the cell, or physical deformities - both of which you mentioned - or something else. Clearly, the mutation can manifest itself in different ways, but the bottom line is that everything stems from mutations in the DNA sequence, NOT a mutation in the cell.

 

Radiation just speeds up the mutation rate.

[Kuky]

You ever hurd of Cancer Cells? Obviously you don't know how they are created. And for your information DNA is nothing but a blueprint telling each and every cell what function in an organism it should have and depending on that the cell will be brain cell, blood cell, depends if it will grow hair etc etc. Altered DNA changes all this which is why people and other organisms get born with deformities, no arms or legs or them just being deforme etc etc... I think you should get the picture.

 

And by the way radiation causes cell destruction or in some cases mutation. Then also the reason we don't don't die suddenly even though there is all kinds of radiation happening as we speak is because those damages cells are regenerated, but only a certain abount of those can human immune system handle. Anything more and the damage becomes permanent... and the more radiation you absorb the more and quicker damage is done.

 

In case of radioactive elements enetring and staying in your body the damage is much greater because unlike from the outside radiation where skin acts as absorbant/shield and is easier to regenerate, inner organisms do not have any protection and are much more sensitive. Hence even lesser amount of radiation from DU (compared to highly radioactive natural U) in fact has a very damaging long term effect.

[D-Scythe]

You ever hurd of Cancer Cells? Obviously you don't know how they are created. And for your information DNA is nothing but a blueprint telling each and every cell what function in an organism it should have and depending on that the cell will be brain cell, blood cell, depends if it will grow hair etc etc. Altered DNA changes all this which is why people and other organisms get born with deformities, no arms or legs or them just being deforme etc etc... I think you should get the picture.

 

And by the way radiation causes cell destruction or in some cases mutation. Then also the reason we don't don't die suddenly even though there is all kinds of radiation happening as we speak is because those damages cells are regenerated, but only a certain abount of those can human immune system handle. Anything more and the damage becomes permanent... and the more radiation you absorb the more and quicker damage is done.

 

In case of radioactive elements enetring and staying in your body the damage is much greater because unlike from the outside radiation where skin acts as absorbant/shield and is easier to regenerate, inner organisms do not have any protection and are much more sensitive. Hence even lesser amount of radiation from DU (compared to highly radioactive natural U) in fact has a very damaging long term effect.

 

You know what? I'm not gonna even bother - not only are you wrong (mostly), you're also oblivious. You clearly think you're some kind of know-it-all, I might as well smash my head against the wall till it bleeds.

 

BTW, I'm a pre-med student, and hopefully soon-to-be actual med school student. But whatever, you're Applied Physics degree clearly is worth 5 other degrees, including Health Sciences.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Radiactive weapons is sad reality. Are cluster bombs forbiden by Geneva convention? How about radiocative weapons?

[Kuky]

Lot of things are forbiden by the Geneva convention yet they still happen...