MISSION 5-Postponed

[gregzagk]

EDIT: Mission is postponed for an unknown yet future date.

We unfortunately have been very busy with some things and the mission design wont be good.

 

Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience

 

War status

 

 

Please register to the available slots

 

Mission date : 14th December 20:00 Zulu time

PARTICIPATIONS

 

BLUE SIDE :

A-10C:

F-15C:

KA-50:

SU-25T:

GROUND COMMANDERS:

 

 

RED SIDE :

A-10C:

SU-27:

MIG-29:

SU-25T:

KA:50:

GROUND COMMANDERS:

[Leto]

Serious? Russian A-10s vs US A-10s?

 

Sorry, I was hoping for a little bit more realism. I am out.

[Cookie]

Umm, yeah. Not a good idea.

[gregzagk]

No time for another design unfortunately this period. I was very busy :(

 

I think then its better leave this mission for now and design the next one when we will be able .

 

Sorry guys .

 

Our server and TS will be free for joining but not for an official mission .

 

The next mission's date is still unknown.

[Leto]

Take your time, Greg, no hurry. I like very much what you and your mates put up here. Great missions so far.

 

I think it's better to wait for another couple of days before taking action like this.

[mwd2]

i will have a mission ready on sunday or monday, if you like to try it.

 

It is for 11 vs 11 Player - more detail in the pdf file

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ct7x28j2fy4lgiw/Asymmetric%20Warfare%20TvT.pdf

 

we can test it on Tuesday on your server and run it on Wednesday

[Endy]

Greg, no pressure :) People are willing to wait for a quality mission and understand you've been busy :)

 

So take your time guys and maybe we can do something on Wednesday, or we could play the mission mwd2 suggested.

[gregzagk]

Thanks a lot guys! I think we will be back on track soon.

 

@mwd2 (Ghost)

That would be great cause this will help us a lot!

When you ''ll have ready the mission file feel free to send it to me.Thanks again!

[Endy]

Ah, forgot to mention, if you need help testing I can help same as usual.

[SFAL]

So... no game today then? "Official" anyway....

 

well i sign up for red SU25T and Mig29S if needed i do the KA...

[mwd2]

any wishes for the limit weapon (Missiles, Rockets, Bombs) setups?

[SFAL]

I like to see limit on guided weaponry... and smar clusters....

keep in mind that rockets are not by the pod...

 

i have a moded HC terrorist map where the red side is on Adler and the Ts have gudauta and sochi as airport with 2 flights of Ka,SU25T and Mig29s

 

strong airdefence...but limited weaponry...

 

if u want u can have a look

not finished yet but i like to have more expert triggers added

[Cookie]

I like to see limit on guided weaponry... and smar clusters....

How about we just all stay at our airfields and shout harsh words in the general direction of the enemy?

 

Seriously people... war ain´t fair, get over it.

[SFAL]

okay.. lets presume that u are flying a10s and f15...

u get ammrams.. and smart cbus....

we throw an awacs in the mix.. both side...

then suddenly its unfair becouse red side gets to see you all and the fighters just switch over to IRST and all you get is a IR missile warning.... and your hog is roasted...

 

fair? would you say get over it? :)

[Cookie]

Yes, I would. I´d rather have it realistic than "balanced" for the sake of fair game play. The entire point of warfare is being as unfair and overwhelming as you can be.

[mwd2]

i would keep for blue

AIM-7 and AIM-9

and for red

R-60, R-73, R-27R

 

also keep CBU-97 for blue anr for red KMGU-2-96 AO-2.5RT

 

but i would limit the number on reserve for weapons and aircrafts!

 

Question: Weather - Clouds or clear sky?

[SFAL]

For the red side i like to see the R77 on the mig to balance the aim7m

they are bith SARH missiles....

also the rbk500U for clusters... better then the kgmu disspersals..

the Kh25ML can be lunched from 17.5 km and therefore limit them..

 

i like to see realistic as possible dont get me wrong... but for that we need the SU25TM or SM model done to the level of the A10..

anyways....

i was wondering abot the warehouse system and also to deny aircraft on both side to take off by bombing the runway :)

limiting the weaponry is only applicable if the warehouse is not sending stuff becouse its dead.... it would make an exelent and bold move to destroy the supplys....

[Endy]

That's not accurate. R77 is an active missile. So only R73 and R27ER for the russian side, Aim7 and Aim9M for blue. (R27ER not R)

 

Sure, it's a bit about balance. Because otherwise it's simply not that fun for the pilots. And no, having semi actives on one side and actives on the other is not realistic because modern russian planes (new SU versions) can carry R77 but that is not modelled in the game due to lack of proper data on russian planes.

 

Not to mention BVR combat with active missiles would only be fun if we could coordinate more (datalinks etc) which again is not modelled in the game and also had more pilots to employ tactics other than shoot and run.

We had fun engagements so far exactly because of the fact that we only used semi active missiles and had to work for the kills. So yeah, limit them like always.

 

I won't even get into the other discussion on CBU's etc as everyone seems to have his own idea about what is fun.

[Endy]

Yes, I would. I´d rather have it realistic than "balanced" for the sake of fair game play. The entire point of warfare is being as unfair and overwhelming as you can be.

 

The problem is if you screw the balance in an MP game it will quickly become not fun for the side which is repeatedly bashed over the head and that side would simply stop playing.

I think you mistake two things. You can have it balanced and pretty realistic still. Limiting active missiles is such a thing because that's how it was in the first Gulf war. F15 carried Aim7 and Aim9 missiles. So it's a realistic scenario. Same as limiting CBUs and guided weapons. If you check the first Gulf war scenarios, A10s carried only unguided bombs, 2 mavericks and NO TGP. Here, realistic again, but not everyone will like it.

Some people like to have all the modern gstuff and some prefer more vintage setups as they simply find them more involving and more fun to play with in the game. A matter of preference.

[mwd2]

i would stay on the R-27R (max Range: 80km) vs. R-27ER with 130km vs. AIM-7M (max Range: 50 km)

[Endy]

I don't know where you got the ranges from but they're surely not what they are in game.

 

R27ER in DCS is roughly an equivalent to Aim7, both having a range slightly below 50km with both ships going head on at around 0,9mach, with Aim7 having a slightly better range and better tracking.

 

Edit: Correction, Level head-on flight AI can shoot ER at 48km and Aim7 at 46km, both missing of course as it's maximum range IF the target doesn't change course etc. For some reason if a human plays against AI shoots Aim7 at 48 as well, and the human isn't even in range then, as to why you gotta ask ED. Anyway, ER is the equivalent not the R with laughable tracking.

[Leto]

If you check the first Gulf war scenarios, A10s carried only unguided bombs, 2 mavericks and NO TGP. Here, realistic again, but not everyone will like it.

 

Your argument is baseless because that were A-10A's. Of course their loadout is different from what A-10C is capable of carrying now. There are only few scenarios where an A-10C would not have the TGP or Sniper Pod. And in the first gulf war it was not a decission like "do we want to take the CBU-105's or do we leave them at home?"... A-10A were not capable of using weapons like these. A-10C is instrumental wise a completely different airplane and the role changed dramatically. If you want A-10A scenario build one with FC3 A-10A's.

[Leto]

First you make up scenarios like "the A10's will kill 60 tanks in one minute" which prooved completely wrong and now you want A-10C's to be crippled to A-10A's because 20 years ago there was a war where they had this loadout. Different plane technic wise but that is a fact you want to ignore. I wonder what will come next? All A10 pilots have to turn off their screens at home to simulate IFR conditions? :D

[Endy]

Sorry, didn't want to get into that argument AGAIN but you really piss me off. You completely ignore whatever is told you and twist this stuff to make up your own stories.

The fact you couldn't use these mavericks and cluster bombs to good effect was totally your fault. I've seen the ACMI's and it was not the opposing pilots. If you have a ****ing problem shooting 6 mavs at a ****ing tank column one by one in fast succession is your own inability to fly the plane properly not me proven wrong.

 

And don't try to be smart about Gulf war scenarios because I said that's what was used then. For multiple reasons: due technology back then, A10A, lack of pods, lack of ****ing guided bombs on these planes etc. and then proceeded to say that some people prefer vintage technology and scenarios in their missions so don't play smarty pants now. Any sane person would understand that. Yeah, very smart solution mister "A10A from FC3" with simplified flight and weapon models.

[Endy]

So either get into your head that some people actually prefer to play such scenarios because older technology actually takes more skill and is more fun to play with for them or just **** off but stop pretending you can't ****ing understand what is being said here. The fact you only like modern scenarios is your own thing and you can play whatever you like just don't pretend a moron that doesn't understand some people like play it differently.