nicksmi Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Hi Everyone Don’t know if anyone has had this problem and I can’t remember when it first started but when I’m doing a Case I landing or any landing in the Hornet in the turn into the pattern I pop the speed brake, when I deploy the gear and flaps the speed brake retracts, if I open the speed brake it immediately retracts. My joystick is a Logitech X-56 the later model, I’ve tried programming various buttons using the joystick software and through the in game control menu. Also running Windows 10 64bit, Intel 6700k, MSI Z170 Gaming Pro and a Nvidia RTX2060. Has anyone any ideas? Apologies for the long winded post! Cheers Nick
Tom Kazansky Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Hi nicksmi, Hornet's speed brakes are always retracting with deployment of gear. That's intended. And brakes retract with an AoA of 20° or more IIRC. Are you sure you had an AoA less than 20? When I need to brake anyway I press and hold brakes extend key. 1
nicksmi Posted October 29, 2020 Author Posted October 29, 2020 Hi Tom, Ah, thanks for you quick response, I didn’t know that, to be honest not the greatest at keeping AoA :) so it is probably all over the place, will manually keep the brake open at least that’s cleared that mystery up for me! Thanks and stay safe.
Bunny Clark Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 This is standard behavior with the Hornet, with the gear down and no WonW the speed brake will always retract as soon as you release the speed brake switch. The Hornet does not land with the speed brake extended. Oil In The Water Hornet Campaign. Bunny's: Form-Fillable Controller Layout PDFs | HOTAS Kneeboards | Checklist Kneeboards
Stubbies2003 Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Hi nicksmi, Hornet's speed brakes are always retracting with deployment of gear. That's intended. This is standard behavior with the Hornet, with the gear down and no WonW the speed brake will always retract as soon as you release the speed brake switch. Not correct for gear and low AoA. Yes for flaps. You don't need to hold the speedbrakes for gear down and low AoA only but they will retract automatically with flaps out of auto or if you have the gear down and you pull high AoA.. I do this all the time in the hornet.
Tom Kazansky Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Not correct for gear and low AoA. Yes for flaps. You don't need to hold the speedbrakes for gear down and low AoA only but they will retract automatically with flaps out of auto or if you have the gear down and you pull high AoA.. I do this all the time in the hornet. that's interesting. and you are right. speed brakes do not retract only by gear down and the AoA they start to retract is about 24° (with flaps half and full) not 20°. with flaps to auto they start to retract at about 29° (with gear down AND up!). What strikes me too, is when you exceed 29°, AoA brakes start to retract and if you decrease AoA to less than 29° while they do, then they stop and keep their partially extended position. my memories of this have been somewhat different. I did not notice the change, because I got used to pressing and holding brakes while gear deployment and high AoA's when I wanted to brake. thanks for the correction. EDIT: Tested some more, and I saw that brakes retract with flaps down below 245 kn IAS. And they only stay extended whith holding brakes key while below 245 kn. No matter what gear or AoA states are. so that is the behaviour OP saw too. thanks for the thread nicksmi and for your reply Stubbies. every day is a school day ;) EDIT2: use of afterburners is also significantly decreasing the AoA threshold for automatic brake retraction. guess we have a case of "RTFM" here, better than testing all combinations :music_whistling:
nicksmi Posted October 30, 2020 Author Posted October 30, 2020 Thanks Tom, major fail manual must be read, oops! :) Thanks all, stay safe out there :thumbup:
Tom Kazansky Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Thanks Tom, major fail manual must be read, oops! :) Thanks all, stay safe out there :thumbup: Thank you. Should have read it myself. Well, testing is much more fun with simple things. automatic brake retraction in the FA-18C is not that trivial as I learned today.
nicksmi Posted October 30, 2020 Author Posted October 30, 2020 Interesting! Just flew a Case I, after the initial turn after the speed brakes retract,extended them again and they stayed out, even after my many bolters! Mapped the speed brake to the slider which I have never gotten to work properly before, but now it does? Crazy! l know speed brake isn’t used for landings but after watching Spudknockers Case I tutorial on YouTube, it can help with throttle lag on the Hornet!
maxTRX Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Interesting! Just flew a Case I, after the initial turn after the speed brakes retract,extended them again and they stayed out, even after my many bolters! Mapped the speed brake to the slider which I have never gotten to work properly before, but now it does? Crazy! l know speed brake isn’t used for landings but after watching Spudknockers Case I tutorial on YouTube, it can help with throttle lag on the Hornet! Sounds like your slider might be continuously generating 'press' character. I know you didn't switch your flaps to Auto, you'd notice that:)
nicksmi Posted October 30, 2020 Author Posted October 30, 2020 Sounds like your slider might be continuously generating 'press' character. I know you didn't switch your flaps to Auto, you'd notice that:) Could well be, X-56’s are notorious for not doing as they’re told :) Need to save up for a Warthog :smilewink:
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