Vekkinho Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 It happened today some 40 km north from Serbian capital: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1406749.php/Serbian_fighter_jet_crashes_near_Belgrade__2nd_Roundup_ Pilot ejected but broke a leg, last Serbian (Yugoslav) Orao that crashed was in 1995 near city of Kraljevo. Orao was produced during '80s in cooperation between Yugoslavia and Romania. It was used in Balkans wars during '90s as a ground attack aircraft only YU plane capable of carrying AGM-65 A and B Mavs! How Orao (Eagle in Serbian) looks like: Although it's pretty similar to Sepecat Jaguar (if you ask me) but it's 2X Turbomecanica/Orao-built Rolls Royce Viper Mk 632-47 turbojets are capable of high-subsonic speeds only. It never made beyond M1.0 in level! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Pilot is stabile, but broke a leg and has spinal injuries. The Orao fleet is currently undergoing major maintenance, and some 30 aircraft are operational. Flight hours are also on the increase. People who live in the area near the crash site say that they've been seeing flights of 4 Oraos in the past few day. Edit: this perticular aircraft has undergone major rehaul in March this year. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Pilot is all right!!!! YEEESSS! 1 Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 Did anyone find out why did the plane crash?! Is it human error (CFIT, flat spin) or some onboard failure?!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Did anyone find out why did the plane crash?! Is it human error (CFIT, flat spin) or some onboard failure?!!It is way too early to tell. From the news report („Орао” пао у Баранду, пилот се катапултирао), it appears that the pilot was aware of the problem and was able to steer the airplane away from houses. Very good pilot indeed. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted May 22, 2008 ED Team Share Posted May 22, 2008 Im glad he survived. This plane looks very sleek and cool! Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 First reports are expected in 15 days. He was at 2500m @ 600 km/h. The airplane fell in very muddy terrain, and only one wing was visible; the rest sank into the mud. There was no explosion upon impact. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 22, 2008 Author Share Posted May 22, 2008 Im glad he survived. This plane looks very sleek and cool! Like I said, reminds me of Sepecat Jaguar! NSCode says there are 30 functional Oraos today in Serbia, but I remember during '80s in Yugoslav Air Force when this plane was produced in Soko Mostar factory there was more flyable Oraos. I think it was produced in the neighbourhood of 150 birds in total. Romanian IAR also produced those planes but I have no idea are they still functional and used in Romanian AF. Orao cockpit: Cockpit is pretty old fashioned, russian sturdy approach but western electronics from '70s. Just note single throttle arm in a twin engine plane! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 It seems now that pilot doesn't have spinal injury, but only had back-pain, witch comes natural after an ejection. All Romanian aircraft are retired. Around 30 are functional now, but the number is at an increase. The type saw active combat in the recent wars, including extreme low level flights against KLA in Kosovo with no aircraft lost to NATO in air. However, many have been destroyed on the ground. It was also used against cruise missiles with some success, including an unconfirmed Tarran kill against a Tomawk. It also appears in folk tales about a dogfight with MiG-21, and a strike against an airport near Tirana in '99. And stop calling it a Jaguar ;) There are similarities, but they're different aircraft. And the Orao is much sexier :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 Any news?! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 No, but here's a memorable picture: The ejection seat being loaded into the plane that crashed Credits go to Freedom Fighter at ABG forum. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 Wow! Isn't that Martin Baker Mk.10 ?!! IIRC same ejection seat is used in F/A-18! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Yup, it's a MB. Don't know the make. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 It looks like the pilot did sustain some chest injury as per news from B92 Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 New air crash in Serbia. A private owned Gazelle helicopter (YU-HEO) crashed yesterday while crop dusting. It was flown by active military pilots. It fell in a shallow muddy lake, not more that 20 km from where the Orao crashed last week. Scarry. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 Take it easy guys! Anyone injured in helo crash?! 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Pilot had minor head injuries, and copilot had a bad leg injury. Now they are at VMA (military medicine academy) but the irony is once he gets better he will probably be sent to Banja Rusanda rehabilitation center.. the place where they've crashed. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 Yup, it's a MB. Don't know the make. Yeah, definitely Mk10 designated in ex JRV (YuAF) as YU10JF! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 The F-18's from the US have the MB Mk.14 (NACES), the Canadian, and probably Spanish ones have the SJU-5 Mk.10 based seat. It's a good seat, as long as low altutude and sink rates (even moderate ones) are not combined. Care to elaborate on the single throttle lever? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 Well there's not much to elaborate, separate throttle control of engine 1 and 2 is impossible. This might be the reason pilot had to eject without possibility of single engine flight! Throttle is pretty straightforward and simple, only the main function of controlling RPM is supported, no additional buttons and switches. However, pic I've posted is SOKO Orao J-22 cockpit (version built in Yugoslavia) w/o After Burners while Romanian version (IAR-93B "Vulture") built by I.R.Av. Craiova had afterburning Viper Mk 633-47 so there's a possibility of slight difference in cockpit and control design. I must mention that both versions (Yu and Rom) experienced problems with engine reliability during test hi alt flights. Engines used to stop and inflight restart was a lucky call! This asked for a combustion chamber redesign and modification on latter prototypes. One of the planes (Romanian twin seater IAR-93DC, IIRC) was lost when elevator broke off during hi subsonic flight at sea level. This prompted hardening of fuselage structure! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Some Soko planes had afterburners too. It's not like afterburners were some sort of upgrade. The plane was designed for an afterburning engine from the beginning. But, some delivery difficulties forced the designers to use the non-afterburning version of the engine, so the planes could be completed. A retrofit of the AB unit to all aircraft was planed, but in the end only some received it. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted May 27, 2008 ED Team Share Posted May 27, 2008 Again, glad the pilots survived. With Black Shark you will get the chance to experience what time you have to decide if you want to try a emergency landing or bail out :D Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 The F-18's from the US have the MB Mk.14 (NACES), the Canadian, and probably Spanish ones have the SJU-5 Mk.10 based seat. It's a good seat, as long as low altutude and sink rates (even moderate ones) are not combined. IIRC the only bigger difference between Mk.10 and Mk.14 is liferaft on latter. Mk.14 was developed and entered service in 1984 thru 86 (IIRC) as a seat for US Navy and Marine Corps. It replaced Mk.10 because of liferaft that was included. Canadian, Spanish, Swiss, Aussie and Finnish Hornets are also capable of AC carrier deployment but still use "older" Mk.10 just like U said! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 And it goes on... An Utva-75 crashed into Danube today in Belgrade. It was towing a banner, flew to low, and the banner caught a sail boat's mast. I am very scared now. I thought about going to an air show this Sunday, but now I just don't know. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 Yeah, and Croatian MiGs fall apart: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=30515 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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