F/A-18 Hornet - Radius or Rate?

[plaiskool]

24 minutes ago, Skysurfer said:

 

To keep it short and basic, in reality you'd always be flying in at least a flight of two (have a wingman) and it would be 2 vs  multiple (at the very least two). Missile employment would be the primary means of engagement, counter hobs is a real thing and negates any kind of typical "BFM" geometry as well as defensive BFM only lasting a few seconds until you either die to a heater or your wingman kills the guy. There's obviously a lot more to it than that. 

 

Agree....

but we were talking video Game, DCS pure BFM, and pure perfo.
I'm caricaturing but answering to bonesvf103 , "who cares about 1C 2C flow, because real life 1v1 doesn't exist anymore" is not precise and correct enough to me as a gamer of DCS who love BFM and put data into it.

 

Edited April 23, 2021 by plaiskool

[HDpilot]

12.04.2021 в 15:10, bonesvf103 сказал:

Would you say that the Hornet is more an energy fighter or an angles fighter?  Should she fight nose to tail or nose to nose?  Radius fighter or rate fighter?

 

v6,

boNes

https://sofrep.com/fightersweep/dogfighting-in-an-fa-18-hornet/

https://sofrep.com/fightersweep/hornet-vs-viper-part-four/

 

"At 15,000 feet, the F/A-18C’s sustained turn rate is 12.3 degrees per second , Navy data comparing, weapons load is 2 AIM-9 and 2 AIM-120 carried externally, no external fuel tanks and 60 percent fuel"

from page 30

https://www.gao.gov/assets/160/155498.pdf

The same configured DCS Hornet turn rate at 15000ft is ~13,4 °/sec = more than 2sec faster per turn, open beta 2.7 (without pylons)

Edited April 29, 2021 by HDpilot

[wilbur81]

On 4/24/2021 at 2:59 AM, HDpilot said:

https://sofrep.com/fightersweep/dogfighting-in-an-fa-18-hornet/

https://sofrep.com/fightersweep/hornet-vs-viper-part-four/

 

"At 15,000 feet, the F/A-18C’s sustained turn rate is 12.3 degrees per second , Navy data comparing, weapons load is 2 AIM-9 and 2 AIM-120 carried externally, no external fuel tanks and 60 percent fuel"

from page 30

https://www.gao.gov/assets/160/155498.pdf

The same configured DCS Hornet turn rate at 15000ft is ~13,4 °/sec = more than 2sec faster per turn, open beta 2.7 (without pylons)

 

13.4 deg. per sec. - 12.3 deg. per sec. = 1.1 seconds... not "more than 2sec,"  which would make it pretty dang close to the real thing if your tests were good.

Edited May 1, 2021 by wilbur81

[HDpilot]

01.05.2021 в 05:46, wilbur81 сказал:

13.4 deg. per sec. - 12.3 deg. per sec. = 1.1 seconds... not "more than 2sec,"  which would make it pretty dang close to the real thing if your tests were good.

 

Excuse my english, but 2sec faster per turn 

turnrate 13,4°/sec = ....turntime? vs turnrate 12,3°/sec = ...turntime?

my humble test (~13,4°):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwsol_p524A&t=6s

1,1° per sec, its not dang close, its far away....... from the point of view of a hardcore guns duel fighter 

I have to add: The DCS-F18 have a lower emty weight in OpenBeta 2.7 (-549lbs) 

Edited May 10, 2021 by HDpilot