[NO BUG] Slaving mavericks to DMT

[Mivina]

If you put your DMT or TGP on target, then start slewing maverick independently but don't fire it, it's impossible to slave it back to the other sensors until you fire it. It just sticks to the position it was left in. No matter what you do next - slew DMT or TGP to another place, cage and uncage the maverick - it is stuck to that place. And if you use undesignate it goes into boresight mode and looks forward. If this is user mistake, i would like to get a clarification on how to do it properly

[Kappa]

Same here

[Recluse]

Haven't gone in to try it, but are you doing a SSS UP to get into IRMAV mode?

 

OK,  I just tried it and see the same thing.

 

- DMT to TV Mode Select Target

-Uncage MAV

-SSS up to IRMAV and SLEW Mav Seeker

-SSS down to TV slew DMT Select Target

-SSS up to IRMAV.

-Mav is still on designation from IRMAV slew

-Cage/Uncage. no change.

-Undesignate and redesignate with DMT in TV mode

-No change to MAV slave.

 

Don't know if this is expected behavior or not, but it makes sense that the IRMAV sensor should be independently used for targeting once initially cued based on the discussion that, according to available information, only one video feed can be active at a time (and when Maverick is up, that is the main Video feed). Or maybe this applies only to TPOD and not DMT?

 

Of course this isn't implemented currently, so, what is "correct" based on current implementation is not 100% clear.

 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Recluse

[Holbeach]

If you put the DMT onto the target, the Mav will also be on the target. Designate and fire.

If for some reason you decide to move the Mav it will un couple and needs to be manually recoupled.

 

To re couple, move it back to the target, designate, then un designate and it is slaved to the DMT in TV mode and can be slewed again as one.

 

If that is what you mean.

 

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[Fri13]

On 7/9/2021 at 2:06 PM, Recluse said:

Don't know if this is expected behavior or not, but it makes sense that the IRMAV sensor should be independently used for targeting once initially cued based on the discussion that, according to available information, only one video feed can be active at a time (and when Maverick is up, that is the main Video feed).

 

TDC Down (designate button) button is suppose to switch between Maverick and DMT videos.

If you have IIR Maverick then it will swap between DMT/TV and IIR seeker.

If you have L Maverick then between it and DMT/LST.

 

Undesignate button has two actions.

1st time uncaging the Maverick will make it slaved to target designation. 

2nd time and after it uncage button commands align mode (boresight). (page 2-185).

 

If maverick seeker is in track mode (locked on laser spot, or contrast lock) then undesignate button commands seeker to slave to velocity vector.

 

After first uncage button press, TDC is controlling the designation sensor (INS or DMT) and Maverick seeker will follow it. 

After SSS Forward for MAV mode the TDC is commanding MAV seeker and TD moves with it up to 28° from boresight (maverick seeker can move at max 12°/s speed when tracking or aligning, page 2-178) Not same as TDC action or non-action speeds that are 1x or 2x relative to own speed and used sensor).

 

 

On 7/9/2021 at 2:06 PM, Recluse said:

Or maybe this applies only to TPOD and not DMT?

 

It is only TPOD limitation. As TPOD is like a active Maverick seeker as it emulating one.

 

That is why you can't have TPOD video visible on either MFCD if wanted to get Maverick video visible as TPOD denies other Maverick videos appearing. Uncage button commands Maverick video to be displayed and when it cant because TPOD, you don't get Maverick seeker activated.

 

But you can use DMT freely as it is totally own system without Maverick emulation or like. You are even recommend to use DMT together with mavericks as you have better FOV and more sensitive LST and good integration to mission computer.

 

The second time of undesignate sets maverick seekers to snowblow mode, and you can move seekers around. 

 

Subsequent uncage toggles between slave to velocity vector and align (boresight) mode.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Fri13

[myHelljumper]

Hey guys,

 

Our tester has reported that this is not a bug, is this correct ?

 

@Mivinaare you still having issues this this ?

[Recluse]

On 7/10/2021 at 4:31 AM, Holbeach said:

If you put the DMT onto the target, the Mav will also be on the target. Designate and fire.

If for some reason you decide to move the Mav it will un couple and needs to be manually recoupled.

 

To re couple, move it back to the target, designate, then un designate and it is slaved to the DMT in TV mode and can be slewed again as one.

 

If that is what you mean.

 

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I believe this is what the OP meant and what I was trying to do.  Easier said than done since given the different magnifications, it is sometimes hard to get the Maverick seeker back to the original target.  I had mixed results.

 

I never noticed this before because I generally have only SELECTED TARGET in DMT/TPOD, switched to MAV, Uncage, SSS Up to IRMAV, LOCK and FIRE.

 

It was interesting to me that when I tried to replicate the OP, I  indeed could not get them to re-couple.

 

Quote

 

TDC Down (designate button) button is suppose to switch between Maverick and DMT videos.

If you have IIR Maverick then it will swap between DMT/TV and IIR seeker.

If you have L Maverick then between it and DMT/LST.

 

Undesignate button has two actions.

1st time uncaging the Maverick will make it slaved to target designation. 

2nd time and after it uncage button commands align mode (boresight). (page 2-185).

 

If maverick seeker is in track mode (locked on laser spot, or contrast lock) then undesignate button commands seeker to slave to velocity vector.

 

After first uncage button press, TDC is controlling the designation sensor (INS or DMT) and Maverick seeker will follow it. 

After SSS Forward for MAV mode the TDC is commanding MAV seeker and TD moves with it up to 28° from boresight (maverick seeker can move at max 12°/s speed when tracking or aligning, page 2-178) Not same as TDC action or non-action speeds that are 1x or 2x relative to own speed and used sensor)

 

 

SUPPOSED to, but I cannot get it work this way. The issue originally posited was that once the Mav Seeker is moved independently of the DMT, it is very difficult to re-slave them so that the DMT can be used to select a new target. The Undesignate button does NOT seem to operate as you state above.

 

Not sure how TDC down toggles between IIR and DMT. Generally I have them on separate DDI's, but if MAV seeker is not on a separate DDI. but I box IRMV in the DMT, Uncage and hit TDC down, it does not change to IIR video.

 

The issue is with SSS up to command IIR seeker. (IRMAV) once you slew the IIR seeker around, it decouples from the DMT even if you to a TGT undesignate and return to TV or INS modes. I could NOT ever get them back together. 

[Holbeach]

2 hours ago, Recluse said:

 

I believe this is what the OP meant and what I was trying to do.  Easier said than done since given the different magnifications, it is sometimes hard to get the Maverick seeker back to the original target.  I had mixed results.

 

I never noticed this before because I generally have only SELECTED TARGET in DMT/TPOD, switched to MAV, Uncage, SSS Up to IRMAV, LOCK and FIRE.

 

It was interesting to me that when I tried to replicate the OP, I  indeed could not get them to re-couple.

 

 

SUPPOSED to, but I cannot get it work this way. The issue originally posited was that once the Mav Seeker is moved independently of the DMT, it is very difficult to re-slave them so that the DMT can be used to select a new target. The Undesignate button does NOT seem to operate as you state above.

 

Not sure how TDC down toggles between IIR and DMT. Generally I have them on separate DDI's, but if MAV seeker is not on a separate DDI. but I box IRMV in the DMT, Uncage and hit TDC down, it does not change to IIR video.

 

The issue is with SSS up to command IIR seeker. (IRMAV) once you slew the IIR seeker around, it decouples from the DMT even if you to a TGT undesignate and return to TV or INS modes. I could NOT ever get them back together. 

I only ever use DMT, so I will use this example on a tank.

 

DMT lock at 14 nm. on tank.

If you try to lock Mav it will decouple and lock on to a nearer heat target because you are out of Mav lock range. It will not re lock and therefore you cannot re couple.

 

So either un-cage then un-designate to the VV and start again, (I always keep the VV just above the target si it's pretty quick).

 

Or move to less than 8 Nm when you will be able to lock Mav to tank, then either shoot or un-designate to couple (slave) to DMT.

You can then move DMT to next target, SSS fwd, designate if in range, shoot.

 

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Edited July 12, 2021 by Holbeach
Clarify. Left out a word.

[Recluse]

22 minutes ago, Holbeach said:

I only ever use DMT, so I will use this example on a tank.

 

DMT lock at 14 nm. on tank.

If you try to lock Mav it will decouple and lock on to a nearer heat target because you are out of Mav lock range. It will not re lock and therefore you cannot re couple.

 

So either un-cage then un-designate to the VV and start again, (I always keep the VV just above the target si it's pretty quick).

 

Or move to less than 8 Nm when you will be able to lock Mav to tank, then either shoot or de-couple to slave to DMT.

You can then move DMT to next target, SSS fwd, designate if in range, shoot.

 

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Ok that works. The CAGE/Undesignate/UNCAGE was the trick. Took me awhile.