About mission 8

[Seabiscuit1985]

Literarily there are dozens of SAM in the operation area, there is no SEAD support, there is no intel about the location of those air defenses, and the ground units are crying for help. If I deal with the air defense first, the ground friendly units would be wiped out. Do you guys think this mission is either realistic or entertaining? Do they really send A10 in when there are countless AA missiles? Tonight I tried for the 9th time then still got shot down by an SA6 when I was supporting the friendlies with my cannon. So who designed this mission and why? 

[ChillNG]

1 hour ago, Seabiscuit1985 said:

Literarily there are dozens of SAM in the operation area, there is no SEAD support, there is no intel about the location of those air defenses, and the ground units are crying for help. If I deal with the air defense first, the ground friendly units would be wiped out. Do you guys think this mission is either realistic or entertaining? Do they really send A10 in when there are countless AA missiles? Tonight I tried for the 9th time then still got shot down by an SA6 when I was supporting the friendlies with my cannon. So who designed this mission and why? 

Literally there is ONE SA-6 in the operating area and two or three MANPADS .

 

But on a serious note, sorry you're having issues, sounds like this one has put you through a lot of pain.  The SA-6 is carefully placed so it is just out of range of your operating area providing you stay within the assigned area.  The directions given by Whiplash and the JTACS should keep you safe if you follow them.  You should not go any further north than the final troops in contact/phaseline orange (I think), the JTAC asks you to egress the attack east (IIRC) so make sure you follow this.  If you are finding the SA-6 is launching on you further south than phase line orange please come back to me and I'll check the mission, it's always possible that an update has shifted AI behaviour/capability although I'm not aware of anything like that happening.

 

To answer your final question, that was all me...but I should point out that these missions are extensively tested by a number of different people, an important element of this process is the difficulty balance so I am confident in the overall mission design, but I will always take all feedback onboard graciously.

 

 

 

[Seabiscuit1985]

5 hours ago, ChillNG said:

Literally there is ONE SA-6 in the operating area and two or three MANPADS .

 

But on a serious note, sorry you're having issues, sounds like this one has put you through a lot of pain.  The SA-6 is carefully placed so it is just out of range of your operating area providing you stay within the assigned area.  The directions given by Whiplash and the JTACS should keep you safe if you follow them.  You should not go any further north than the final troops in contact/phaseline orange (I think), the JTAC asks you to egress the attack east (IIRC) so make sure you follow this.  If you are finding the SA-6 is launching on you further south than phase line orange please come back to me and I'll check the mission, it's always possible that an update has shifted AI behaviour/capability although I'm not aware of anything like that happening.

 

To answer your final question, that was all me...but I should point out that these missions are extensively tested by a number of different people, an important element of this process is the difficulty balance so I am confident in the overall mission design, but I will always take all feedback onboard graciously.

 

 

 

Thanks for your really patient reply and advice, truly appreciate it. But the thing is the JTAC asks you to use cannon to shoot the enemies in the woods with a heading of 330, then egress with 90. And the range of cannon is 2.0 knots. So if I keep shooting till I'm within 1 knot from the targets then turn to 90 to egress, I'll be at the edge of SA6's or manpad's range (not sure which one shot me because I'll get locked on first but when I got shot down there was no lock but a fire warning) and wake up the air defense. Afterwards the JTAC would ask me to come back for a second attack. That's when the missile hits me. If I use cannon I'll come into the missile's firing range definitely. Even though I only enter  for a very short period, I'll still give them a chance to fire, especially in the second round.

[ChillNG]

5 hours ago, Seabiscuit1985 said:

Thanks for your really patient reply and advice, truly appreciate it. But the thing is the JTAC asks you to use cannon to shoot the enemies in the woods with a heading of 330, then egress with 90. And the range of cannon is 2.0 knots. So if I keep shooting till I'm within 1 knot from the targets then turn to 90 to egress, I'll be at the edge of SA6's or manpad's range (not sure which one shot me because I'll get locked on first but when I got shot down there was no lock but a fire warning) and wake up the air defense. Afterwards the JTAC would ask me to come back for a second attack. That's when the missile hits me. If I use cannon I'll come into the missile's firing range definitely. Even though I only enter  for a very short period, I'll still give them a chance to fire, especially in the second round.

I suspect it might be the MANPAD getting you from what you've said but I'll double check to be sure.  If it's causing you a lot of problems then you can just stay clear and let the task fail, the mission will still complete, you'll just lose mission score.

[Seabiscuit1985]

46 minutes ago, ChillNG said:

I suspect it might be the MANPAD getting you from what you've said but I'll double check to be sure.  If it's causing you a lot of problems then you can just stay clear and let the task fail, the mission will still complete, you'll just lose mission score.

I know, because I failed the first tank team once. But I restarted the game because I just can't let my teammates die, even in a game. I'd rather die for them

[Seabiscuit1985]

9 hours ago, ChillNG said:

I suspect it might be the MANPAD getting you from what you've said but I'll double check to be sure.  If it's causing you a lot of problems then you can just stay clear and let the task fail, the mission will still complete, you'll just lose mission score.

Tried the 10th time, did exactly what you said, stayed behind orange line, still got shot down by the missile. The only difference is I got shot the 3rd round this time. But I dodged 2 missiles before so don't see much of an improvement. 

[Seabiscuit1985]

Finally....

[schurem]

Hoo boy that was a tense one! Good thing the hog gets tons and tons of flares to play with. Extremely well written one this. Way to tell a story using the sim! BZ!

[Seabiscuit1985]

On 12/27/2021 at 8:17 PM, schurem said:

Hoo boy that was a tense one! Good thing the hog gets tons and tons of flares to play with. Extremely well written one this. Way to tell a story using the sim! BZ!

I was stupid and now I do better in missions...

[King39]

Hello,

Just tried this one for the third time and was not able to finish it because the JTAC won't clear me hot on the 090 radial. I went ahead and killed the first three tanks (on the 090 heading) and still not able to progress through the mission due to the JTAC.

I think it's kind of silly to not allow progression even though the targets were destroyed and no friendlies were put in any danger.

See attached image.

 

[ChillNG]

7 hours ago, King39 said:

Hello,

Just tried this one for the third time and was not able to finish it because the JTAC won't clear me hot on the 090 radial. I went ahead and killed the first three tanks (on the 090 heading) and still not able to progress through the mission due to the JTAC.

I think it's kind of silly to not allow progression even though the targets were destroyed and no friendlies were put in any danger.

See attached image.

 

Hi, sorry you're having issues with the mission.  The mission is designed as you've suggested, you can still progress so long as the three BMPs are destroyed.  If you're not cleared hot the JTAC will give you a telling off but things should still move on.  IIRC you call attack complete through the F10 menu, do you get a reattack message from the JTAC?  If if so this would suggest the targets aren't dead. 

To get cleared hot you need to be over the IP (TV tower on the hill) and on a rough heading of 090.

That's all from memory so I'll double check the mission tonight and report back.

 

[ChillNG]

19 hours ago, King39 said:

Hello,

Just tried this one for the third time and was not able to finish it because the JTAC won't clear me hot on the 090 radial. I went ahead and killed the first three tanks (on the 090 heading) and still not able to progress through the mission due to the JTAC.

I think it's kind of silly to not allow progression even though the targets were destroyed and no friendlies were put in any danger.

See attached image.

 

Ok, apologies,  I mis-remembered how I built this mission, the task won't end unless you have been cleared hot - not the best design, I usually do it differently so not sure why I made that decision.

You will be getting the abort call due to not being in the IP zone when calling in (it won't be the heading as its very a lenient condition).  All you need do is be in the IP zone as shown below and on approx 090 heading.  Pease see pic below.  The IP zone is 6 miles across but it is still easy to misjudge as it's in a big open space, best advice is to make sure you are directly over the TV mast when you call in - remember the coords are in the Kneeboard if you want to put a waypoint on it.

This video also shows a similar issue, aircraft wasn't far enough west when calling in, once he moved west back over the mountains it worked.  Hope that helps, let me know if I can be any more assistance!

 

[Mulder76]

I originally tried the attack from the wrong heading and then tried from 090 but too close and then went to the TV mast and tried calling in the attack from what I thought was pretty much directly on top of the TV mast with a heading of 090 and it was still giving me a winter abort. With no way to advance the mission after that, and flying all over the 090 heading, and many other headings trying to find the trigger zone, I eventually quit the mission in bewilderment.   

I suggest making the trigger zone a larger quad-point rectangle that makes a cone out from the targets to the TV mast and beyond so anywhere within 80 to 100 degree heading to the target at any distance will work.  Maybe also verify that the trigger will work after you've gotten one abort command, because it seemed to be stuck to me. 

[ChillNG]

11 hours ago, Mulder76 said:

I originally tried the attack from the wrong heading and then tried from 090 but too close and then went to the TV mast and tried calling in the attack from what I thought was pretty much directly on top of the TV mast with a heading of 090 and it was still giving me a winter abort. With no way to advance the mission after that, and flying all over the 090 heading, and many other headings trying to find the trigger zone, I eventually quit the mission in bewilderment.   

I suggest making the trigger zone a larger quad-point rectangle that makes a cone out from the targets to the TV mast and beyond so anywhere within 80 to 100 degree heading to the target at any distance will work.  Maybe also verify that the trigger will work after you've gotten one abort command, because it seemed to be stuck to me. 

Hi thanks for your thoughts.  Might be worth a revisit of the zones as this campaign was built in the dark days when we still only had circular zones.  If you get the abort call though everything should just reset to ask you to call in again, did a quick test and all seemed ok for me, did that not happen for you?

[Agim]

I have the same problem with two T-72. My attack direction is extactly 090 and still no permittion to attack :-(.

 

Edit: problem solved ... it is importat to be at the right range from target ... not too far, not too close.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Agim