Do I need Simapp Pro running??

[Snacko]

Just getting  back into DCS and have a new Combat Panel.  What do we need the SimApp pro running for besides the APU light? (which I don't understand why?  If it can turn off AA and AG lights when I click in the cockpit?  It sends a signal without SAP running?) 

Also, maybe this is something new in DCS?  What is the HeadTracker device?  (I tried out the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 a few weeks ago, but sent it back.)  Is this HeadTracker device something within DCS??  I don't see any devices with that name on my system.  My TrackIR is working fine.  But it's weird that this device is called HeadTracker and the TrackIR is controlling the Head Tracker game Axis??

[Krez]

It looks like a remnant of Tobii.

[Snacko]

Thanks, I could not find any Tobii anywhere until I looked in Services.  There are two there.  There is no Tobii in the Apps & Features.  I'm submitting a ticket to them now to see what's up.

Thanks for the reply.

[Snacko]

Tobii Support helped me remove their two leftover services.  And I've rebooted, and this HeadTracker thing is still there.  It's not listed in the Windows Game Controllers window.  Although TrackIR is.

The DCS Log file only says this about it.  No more info to help me track it down.  Could HeadTracker be part of my Reverb G2 VR?  I just don't remember seeing this before..

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2022-01-30 19:47:47.831 INFO    INPUT: Device [WINWING THROTTLE BASE1 + F18 HANDLE {84472090-58DE-11eb-8002-444553540000}] created.
2022-01-30 19:47:47.831 INFO    INPUT: Joystick created[WINWING THROTTLE BASE1 + F18 HANDLE {84472090-58DE-11eb-8002-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: no
2022-01-30 19:47:47.837 INFO    INPUT: Device [WINWING F18 STARTUP PANEL {8446F980-58DE-11eb-8001-444553540000}] created.
2022-01-30 19:47:47.837 INFO    INPUT: Joystick created[WINWING F18 STARTUP PANEL {8446F980-58DE-11eb-8001-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: no
2022-01-30 19:47:47.858 INFO    INPUT: Device [ VKB-Sim Gunfighter Modern Combat Pro  {844795C0-58DE-11eb-8007-444553540000}] created.
2022-01-30 19:47:47.858 INFO    INPUT: Joystick created[ VKB-Sim Gunfighter Modern Combat Pro  {844795C0-58DE-11eb-8007-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: no
2022-01-30 19:47:47.859 INFO    INPUT: Device [CH PRO PEDALS USB  {84472090-58DE-11eb-8003-444553540000}] created.
2022-01-30 19:47:47.859 INFO    INPUT: Joystick created[CH PRO PEDALS USB  {84472090-58DE-11eb-8003-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: no
2022-01-30 19:47:47.870 INFO    INPUT: Device [Mouse] created.
2022-01-30 19:47:47.875 INFO    INPUT: Device [TrackIR] created.
2022-01-30 19:47:47.877 INFO    INPUT: Device [HeadTracker] created.
2022-01-30 19:47:47.878 INFO    SOUND: Opening default audio device.
2022-01-30 19:47:47.879 INFO    SOUND: Speaker layout: suround_5_1 (5.1 Surround)
2022-01-30 19:47:47.881 INFO    SOUND: Driver reports 2 channels with mask 0x3

 

[Krez]

The column for each device will only be present if the game detects the input. That's a strange one.

[Snacko]

Have you heard of this HeadTracker device before?

[Snacko]

FYI, I finally found it.  There is a HeadTracker.dll in the DCS/bin folder.  I'm not sure if DCS or Tobii put it there yet.  DCS might have put it there in support of the Tobii device but didn't remove it for some reason.  Or Tobii didn't uninstall it.  IDK, but I'm waiting on an answer from Tobii..

[Snacko]

Just a note for anyone with a Tobii Eye Tracker 5.  

When I uninstalled it, it left a Tobii folder in C:\ProgramData.  You have to remove that manually.  It wouldn't let me just delete it.  But if I pressed Shift+Del it did permanently delete the folder.

Worse, there was a leftover 'HeadTracker.dll' in the DCS\bin folder that kept putting a non-existant controller in the DCS Controls settings.  Tobii told me that it was something that DCS gave for Tobii to install. 

From Tobii Support:

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This what i got from our developer which is the same with your research.
Seems like .dll file is from DCS? But did you have install game hub before or i assume it should be remove by now?  Me: Yes, and Yes.
"in the DCS bin folder there is a HeadTracker.dll that i think enables this. The .dll orginiates from the game developers, but its not distributed with the game. Gamehub puts this dll file in the bin folder. I think removing it will remove the device from logs and menu."

 

[Svsmokey]

So i still haven't heard an answer to the post title . Does Simappro have to be running to use WW products ?

[MustangSally]

58 minutes ago, Svsmokey said:

So i still haven't heard an answer to the post title . Does Simappro have to be running to use WW products ?

No!

[Svsmokey]

Thanks !

4 hours ago, MustangSally said:

No!

 

[Snacko]

13 hours ago, Svsmokey said:

So i still haven't heard an answer to the post title . Does Simappro have to be running to use WW products ?

Only for the APU light to work, and your panel lights to sync with the Cockpit's Console lights knob in the FA-18 from what I've tested.  In SimAppPro has a setting 'Sync DCS', which lets the cockpit knob adjust not only the game's cockpit light brightness, but also your device panel's brightness.  You need SAP running for this to sync from my testing..

To set it up you go into SimAppPro and on the Devices tab click on your WinWing Panel device.  Then, on the right side of the picture there are sliders and buttons to adjust the lights.  You can 'Sync DCS' then the FA18 Console light knob will adjust your panel light.  I'm also syncing my WW Throttle and startup panel.  The slider seems to adjust how bright they should be if SimAppPro is 'not' running.  But it didn't work right away for me.  I had to reboot after setting it up.  

Edited February 4, 2022 by Snacko

[Svsmokey]

Thank you ! I'm considering getting the takeoff panel and fly in VR , so you and Sally are telling me what i want to hear .

5 hours ago, Snacko said:

Only for the APU light to work, and your panel lights to sync with the Cockpit's Console lights knob in the FA-18 from what I've tested.  In SimAppPro has a setting 'Sync DCS', which lets the cockpit knob adjust not only the game's cockpit light brightness, but also your device panel's brightness.  You need SAP running for this to sync from my testing..

To set it up you go into SimAppPro and on the Devices tab click on your WinWing Panel device.  Then, on the right side of the picture there are sliders and buttons to adjust the lights.  You can 'Sync DCS' then the FA18 Console light knob will adjust your panel light.  I'm also syncing my WW Throttle and startup panel.  The slider seems to adjust how bright they should be if SimAppPro is 'not' running.  But it didn't work right away for me.  I had to reboot after setting it up.  

 

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by Svsmokey