What is Lock ons graphics engine like? Far cry's? Doom 3 ?

[emenance]

Would lomacs engine be like far crys or doom 3 or like unreal 2004?

 

I was reading a review of the 6600 gt card and noticed a big difference between doom 3 and a 9800 pro playing doom 3 . But performance was about the same with unreal 2004 and far cry?

 

SO im wondering who would be the winner here in performance , a 6600 gt or a 9800 pro .

 

lLet the war begin! :)

[LexiconG2]

Re: What is Lock ons graphics engine like? Far cry's? Doom 3

 

Would lomacs engine be like far crys or doom 3 or like unreal 2004?

 

I was reading a review of the 6600 gt card and noticed a big difference between doom 3 and a 9800 pro playing doom 3 . But performance was about the same with unreal 2004 and far cry?

 

SO im wondering who would be the winner here in performance , a 6600 gt or a 9800 pro .

 

lLet the war begin! :)

 

Well a 6600GT is about twice as fast as a 9800XT in some applications. But I would say for most games a 6600GT is about 20-25% faster than a 9800PRO. FAR CRY and UT 2004 uses technology that's optimized for multi card formats so you won’t see big differences in FPS with most middle end cards. These games also use video filter technology in their design so that 30 FPS seems as fast as 50FPS. As far as Lock On the 6600GT would be faster I could only assume but not by much. The 6600GT should be noticeably faster than a 9800 PRO 100% of the time. With that I would also say that I have a PCI-E 6800 Ultra OC and it runs Lock On well but at full settings it brings my system down in FPS. I don’t use LOMAN but I can get about 500FPS and as low as 40FPS with LOCK ON. This game is horribly crap when it comes to optimizations.

[Joe]

A good discussion about 6600 vs 9800 @ SimHQ:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=37;t=006215#000012

[LexiconG2]

I would still say that a 6600GT is the only way to go. It supports newer technology and you will be seeing a lot of newer games that are optimized for NVIDIA cards. The technology that NVIDIA has in its current line ATI does not. This means that DEVs can only favor NV for the time being. Sm 3.0 makes it a lot easier to create effects in games. So I think the rule of thumb should be go with the newer technology even if it's not 300 times better than older tech.

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

Lock On is CPU limited - if you have 2 GIG RAM and a fast CPU you will be able to use your card to the max.

 

Far Cry limits the number of AI units to less than ten - therefore with a fast card you notice a difference while Lock On has sometimes dozens of AI units at the same time, then it has to render a huge ground map that requires very very fast updates and the sky itself. When the action starts, you add SAM and AAA and Flak.

 

So that is why a SLI card rig is useless - it will stand still waiting for the CPU to churn out data for it, the card updating a 100 times every second the same few frames.

[olaleier]

Lock On is CPU limited - if you have 2 GIG RAM and a fast CPU you will be able to use your card to the max.

 

Far Cry limits the number of AI units to less than ten - therefore with a fast card you notice a difference while Lock On has sometimes dozens of AI units at the same time, then it has to render a huge ground map that requires very very fast updates and the sky itself. When the action starts, you add SAM and AAA and Flak.

 

So that is why a SLI card rig is useless - it will stand still waiting for the CPU to churn out data for it, the card updating a 100 times every second the same few frames.

 

I am fighting a constant battle against this perception that Lomac (or IL2) is CPU limited.

 

IT IS NOT, at least when we are talking about fairly new CPUs, Intel 2.6GHz and upwards.

 

Yes, the CPU takes a much bigger hit than in a shooter game but the video card still takes the heaviest load.

 

I have an AMD 64 3000+ and upgraded my 9800 Pro for a 6800GT. Doubled my framerate under the same settings.

 

I first played Lock On on a P4 2.4 with 512 megs of RAM. Switched between a Ti4200 and a 9800 Pro and the increase was very small. Here we see a CPU limit, but the software itself is not CPU-limited across the board. Nobody needs 2GB of RAM.

 

Some tests you can do is simply lower one graphic setting. Does the fps increase? Then it is limited by the graphics card.

 

Another simple test is making a mission where you sit on the runway and have a large formation of F/A-18 Hornets fly low over you. If it was CPU limited, the hit would be the same all the time but most likely you will see the fps drop as they fly over you, then go back up when they are out of sight.

 

Of course, a gigantic mission will skew this idea but the average mission in the canned campaigns still puts the limit on the graphics card on my rig, both with the 9800 Pro and the 6800GT on the respective settings I set.

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

I have a 3.2E/2024 RAM/X800Pro , and I found that CPU is a limiting factor.

Complex missions require a lot of the CPU and you have to balance it a lot so as not to bog down a mission flow.

With my rig I rarely have problems, but when I design a mission I always try not to cram too much over a given time, so that someone with a less powerful PC can fly them.

I may be wrong, but that is my experience.

[LexiconG2]

I have a 3.2E/2024 RAM/X800Pro , and I found that CPU is a limiting factor.

Complex missions require a lot of the CPU and you have to balance it a lot so as not to bog down a mission flow.

With my rig I rarely have problems, but when I design a mission I always try not to cram too much over a given time, so that someone with a less powerful PC can fly them.

I may be wrong, but that is my experience.

 

Is your video card PCI-E? A lot of newer generation video cards have latency that's completely unnecessary. There is a PCIlatency tool that can fix some CPU bottleneck and fix some stuttering problems that some people have had.

 

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951

[emenance]

GUYS THE QUESTION WAS not about what card is better but WHAT DOES LOMACS GRAPHICS engine most likley COMPARE TO IN REGARDS TO OTHER GAMES. But i suppose if the 6600 gt doubles the fps then maybe nividia hardware and drivers handle LOMAC better than Ati. ?????????

 

but ITS THE GAMES YOU WANT TO PLAY nowadays .

 

here is a post of mine from another forum about ati and nividia why my next card ill be giving nividia a big chance to get my money.

 

FIRST OF ALL IM NOT LOYAL TO ANY MAKER OF A PRODUCT , THATS JUST INSANE! ESP WHEN IT COMES TO THIS INDUSTRY..

 

Ive also decided to abandon Ati at all costs. Or at least give nividia a big chance. Even though i get employee prices on ati cards, ill be happy to sell my 9800 pro AIW for 179 bucks someday same as i paid for it a month ago. I dont wana buy into the pci hype and pay the price. Nvidia uses the same gpu on pci and agp cards cutting costs and that means a cheaper product for us and more availability. I dont see any reason to stick with Ati and pay premium prices for a pci or agp cards because they decided to use different gpu 's on said p[latforms. Just doesnt make sence to me. Honestly i am mistified at ATI for not developing a bridge chip like nvidia did to cut costs of thier video cards. I have had enough of thier snootyness , makeing us pay for fancy boxs with red ink all over them and just everything else makes me sick. I really dont know who they are assuming that we will 750 bucks for thier top of the line card last month , Sure the stores had the price inflated 150 bucks and it has since come down to 600 bucks but i just cant believe that we as consumers wana swallow that kind of price for a video card while they make dum decisions not to do the most basic thing in engineering and commonize thier components. Today i found out newegg had the xt pe http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-473&depa=1 at 800 bucks 3 days ago and now 750 . I just dont understand this kind of approch and cant believe that the end result is worth the profit margin and the risk of loosing customers like myself.

 

In addition, seeing the 6600 gt todays middle of the road card woop the hell out of the 9800 pro is just exciteing to say the least.

[bflagg]

You're trying to compare apples and oranges...

 

sorry.. but I won't bite...

[olaleier]

You could say that it compares to Far Cry in that it is DirectX, but other than that the comparisons are worthless.

[Rummy]

Having recently made the switch from a 9700pro to a 6800gt, I can say without a doubt that I am well...umm...not impressed. If I was'nt so lazy I would take the thing back. Be prepared for crap drivers and endless web searches on texture shimmering, when and when to not use AF, mipmaps...blah blah. Just my opinion but dont expect the world. If you find yourself playing more flight sims then look into the best processer/memory you can afford. The GF6 series is certainly not leaps ahead of its competition....maybe a skip but not a leap.

[emenance]

i cant believe that look at this a 6600 gt rules by one from ALbatron they are makeing the best boards out of Tiawan now.

 

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/2004-27gpu2_25.html