Heavy-Lift Helicopters

[FlankerKiller]

5 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Well, if the UH-60L module is anything to go by, I'm actually not so worried. Pretty sure much of the Gazelle's FM issues is the completely borked FFB implementation. But what do I know.
Seems several of the Kiowa SMEs are happy, so again I'm not too worried.

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Don't want to derail this but there is a helicopter engineer that did a test with the actual TO. The FM is borked. It looks as if they didn't simulate the rotor properly. Being an A&P I actually understood what he's saying and way. People say lots of things for money. Flying the Apache I can kinda see how it feels close. But it's also completely off. 

The UH-60 is one of my absolute favorite aircraft. It's only a slight step down from the Huey for me. And I really hope it gets done, and done properly. With better infantry those UH can really affect a battle. And with proper logistics it the affect could be even bigger. So I'm definitely down for some heavy lift action. Personally I would love a Chinook. It different, and it can carry alot of Sh#t, and in a hurry. 

[MAXsenna]

Don't want to derail this but there is a helicopter engineer that did a test with the actual TO. The FM is borked. It looks as if they didn't simulate the rotor properly. Being an A&P I actually understood what he's saying and way. People say lots of things for money. Flying the Apache I can kinda see how it feels close. But it's also completely off. 
The UH-60 is one of my absolute favorite aircraft. It's only a slight step down from the Huey for me. And I really hope it gets done, and done properly. With better infantry those UH can really affect a battle. And with proper logistics it the affect could be even bigger. So I'm definitely down for some heavy lift action. Personally I would love a Chinook. It different, and it can carry alot of Sh#t, and in a hurry. 

No worries. I've seen all his YTs. And I think it's valid to discuss it even here.
And yeah, I totally agree. But I have the habit of giving people a second chance. There's much to enjoy in the Gazelle, at least before I got my FFB sticks.
I also think that the distrust with PC has to do with the lack of communication and social skills from a certain person. When people give you constructive criticism, you should embrace it. My opinion anyway.

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[FlankerKiller]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

No worries. I've seen all his YTs. And I think it's valid to discuss it even here.
And yeah, I totally agree. But I have the habit of giving people a second chance. There's much to enjoy in the Gazelle, at least before I got my FFB sticks.
I also think that the distrust with PC has to do with the lack of communication and social skills from a certain person. When people give you constructive criticism, you should embrace it. My opinion anyway.

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I'm pretty close to getting banned for being critical of PC and ED. The issue is if PC makes it I won't buy it. They produced a product. The expectation with DCS is extreme realism especially in regards to the FM. Even the Viper flew like an aircraft on release. The Gaz just doesn't. I don't know what it flys like. But it's not a chopper. So it doesn't meet product standards. Then after they took payment for that product instead of fixing it they said that they were starting a new product and wouldn't fix the current one until the new one was out. So basically they took payment for something then said you have to buy something else in order for them to finish the thing you already bought. That is basically a scam. And it offends me on a level that is beyond the scope of flight simulation. I don't really feel that they deserve a second chance. 

Razbam on the other hand released a statement on these forms saying they wouldn't release anything new until they finished what they already had out. Have you flown the AV8 or M2000 lately? Same for ED I what had to be the stupidest move in DCS history they released the F-16 before the the F-18 was even a fraction of the way complete. And well the F-16 was a module that looked kinda like a f-16. But they acknowledged this. And they developed the first product first. Now they are developing the F-16, and it's shaping up to be a pretty sweet module. This is how decent companies act when they screw up. So no for me Poly's second chance is if they wake up and fix the Gaz before the Kiowa is released. But that is beyond the scope of this thread. 

[MAXsenna]

@FlankerKiller No, I haven't flown them in a while, I have every module sans the Hawk, so not enough hours. Like the Mirage a lot and the way it's heading, have done a few training missions with the Harrier. Dig the MiG-19 though. You better not tell the SE crowd they won't see it until the other modules are finished. I'm waiting for the BO-105.
You're absolutely free to vote however you feel with your wallet.
They have acknowledged the FM is broken, (RC helicopter?), and will revisit with new technology post Kiowa release. And that's fine for my. Too bad for you lot that there was no free to play back in the days, that would provably have solved the controversy. Ingenious move by ED! I only paid 15 or 20 or so. Might be why I don't worry too much.
Anyway! I think it's totally relevant in a thread like this, when people will have very subjective opinions of whom to make what! And having a favourite 3rd party seems like religion sometimes.
I hope you don't get banned as I enjoy your posts, even if I don't always agree.
I dig that your passionate about this, and as you already know, you might wanna tune your ramblings in a more constructive way.
Cheers!

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[Sahloknir]

I would absolutely love this bad boy:

CH-47 would be nice too of course, but for me the CH-53 is just pure awesomeness.

[FlankerKiller]

On 4/24/2022 at 10:44 AM, MAXsenna said:

@FlankerKiller No, I haven't flown them in a while, I have every module sans the Hawk, so not enough hours. Like the Mirage a lot and the way it's heading, have done a few training missions with the Harrier. Dig the MiG-19 though. You better not tell the SE crowd they won't see it until the other modules are finished. I'm waiting for the BO-105.
You're absolutely free to vote however you feel with your wallet.
They have acknowledged the FM is broken, (RC helicopter?), and will revisit with new technology post Kiowa release. And that's fine for my. Too bad for you lot that there was no free to play back in the days, that would provably have solved the controversy. Ingenious move by ED! I only paid 15 or 20 or so. Might be why I don't worry too much.
Anyway! I think it's totally relevant in a thread like this, when people will have very subjective opinions of whom to make what! And having a favourite 3rd party seems like religion sometimes.
I hope you don't get banned as I enjoy your posts, even if I don't always agree.
I dig that your passionate about this, and as you already know, you might wanna tune your ramblings in a more constructive way.
Cheers!

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There constructive enough. I got there attention. That was the goal. Wether is get banned or not will depend largely on how the next several updates go. But the only thing ED did that I fundamentally have a problem with is the way the Viper was done. That was just stupid. But its coming together, and will be an absolutely awesome module before too long. It's entirely possible that Egale Dynamics is entering a new phase where they focus on the core game itself. I hope this is the case. Honestly they needed to get a cohesive plane set out there, and their big four Amaican aircraft do that spectacularly. And being here in 2016 it's what I would have done. I'm just reminding them that we would really like a proper environment to fly in. 

As for the BO-105, I can't wait! It looks like a blast to fly. I like simpler more limited aircraft. I also like to put coalition partner aircraft in my missions. I sincerely wish someone would bring an MD-500 with Ai crew to DCS. But for the heavy lift role I would buy ether a C/H-47, or a U/H-53 on day one.

15 minutes ago, Sahloknir said:

I would absolutely love this bad boy:

CH-47 would be nice too of course, but for me the CH-53 is just pure awesomeness.

I'll take both pleas, and the Herc.