Varjo Aero: Общее руководство для новых владельцев

[dburne]

14 minutes ago, motoadve said:

I never bothered with OXTRK, just plain FDR.

If I am not mistaken turbo mode is on by default for the DFR. Saw it listed in the log file for it. Currently can not use the OXRTK with FDR. The Toolkit needs to be either disabled or uninstalled to use DFR. The below was taken from my foveated log file:

" Found option 'turbo_mode=1' "

Edited March 23, 2023 by dburne

[dburne]

25 minutes ago, motoadve said:

Guys give it a try with Automatic VSync and motion smoothing, works better than 45 on my system, (4090, i9 10900K) almost perfect, now and them some slow downs but some epic and smooth dogfights in WWII Channel map, a lot less artifacts than with 45 locked , also smoother in  39 PPD, and 1.2 in DCS, looks super crisp.

 

Interesting , as I am at 90 fps the bulk of the time I do not have vsync nor motion smoothing enabled. Last time I tried it with the Aero I was just not that impressed. May have a look at it tomorrow to see how it is with DFR now. But again I like being at 90 fps the bulk of the time and I think Motion Smoothing will drop that to 45 most if not all the time.

[motoadve]

1 minute ago, dburne said:

Interesting , as I am at 90 fps the bulk of the time I do not have vsync nor motion smoothing enabled. Last time I tried it with the Aero I was just not that impressed. May have a look at it tomorrow to see how it is with DFR now. But again I like being at 90 fps the bulk of the time and I think Motion Smoothing will drop that to 45 most if not all the time.

Was my same experience with 45FPS locked and Motion Smoothing, was not impressed and still not impressed, Automatic does help, give it a try.

I have peripheral at 0.6 and definitely, its performing great and 99.9 % of the time I don't see the edges.

[dburne]

12 minutes ago, motoadve said:

Was my same experience with 45FPS locked and Motion Smoothing, was not impressed and still not impressed, Automatic does help, give it a try.

I have peripheral at 0.6 and definitely, its performing great and 99.9 % of the time I don't see the edges.

Hmm been running mine at default settings - just had a look and both my periphery and focus are set to 1. Hesitant to change that as it runs so well and I can not tell where focus ends and periphery begins. 

[Supmua]

3 hours ago, darkman222 said:

@SupmuaThanks a lot for the quick summary. I was about to miss out on DFR at all. It works for me now. And I can see sh**t now! Amazing.

I was experimenting with FFR via the OXRTK but this seems to gain even more GPU performance. Cant tell it in numbers, because I cant use fpsVR nor the OXRTK overlay. But it feels like I gained at least 10 fps on the GPU frametime side. I mean like 10 fps more compared to fixed foveated rendering via OXRTK.

On some occasions, winter in Caucasus for example I  can see the high resolution rendering square jumping around but you get pretty quick used to it.

Any way to read out the CPU and GPU frame times with DFR now? (except the weird DCS fps read out which is quite unintuitive)

 

DCS has built in performance tracker, press (RCTRL+pause). You can see GPU frametime (top graph) and other latency graphs and also fps, nothing on CPU I’m afraid.  

Edited March 23, 2023 by Supmua

[darkman222]

Thanks @Supmua So what youre saying is when using DFR there is no way to read out the CPU frame time as in fpsVR any more. There is no third party tool or anything. Because in fpsVR it was pretty obvious that for reasons, I dont know, at some point during multiplayer, when changing aircraft I got CPU frame time spikes. Well I might need to revert to steamVR and capture fpsVR for ED as a bug report, that it does not get lost.

[Supmua]

29 minutes ago, darkman222 said:

Thanks @Supmua So what youre saying is when using DFR there is no way to read out the CPU frame time as in fpsVR any more. There is no third party tool or anything. Because in fpsVR it was pretty obvious that for reasons, I dont know, at some point during multiplayer, when changing aircraft I got CPU frame time spikes. Well I might need to revert to steamVR and capture fpsVR for ED as a bug report, that it does not get lost.

I think/hope the next OXRTK version will support DFR Quad mode so we can have CPU/GPU frametime tracking.

fpsVR supports OpenXR API but only via Steam layer so it’s no go with DFR because this is done through Varjo OpenXR only. 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Supmua

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Supmua said:

I think/hope the next OXRTK version will support DFR Quad mode so we can have CPU/GPU frametime tracking.

fpsVR supports OpenXR API but only via Steam layer so it’s no go with DFR because this is done through Varjo OpenXR only. 

 

 

IMHO small price to pay for what we get with DFR and eye tracking.

[lei]

i have a strange artifact using DFR, i see a square that is slightly brighter that the reest of screen on the left eye following eye movement. any idea how to fix that?

[Willdass]

38 minutes ago, lei said:

i have a strange artifact using DFR, i see a square that is slightly brighter that the reest of screen on the left eye following eye movement. any idea how to fix that?

Yeah I see the same, it's the outer border of the focus area. It is more prominent in certain lighting situations/backdrops. Don't think there is a fix for it unfortunately.

[dburne]

29 minutes ago, Willdass said:

Yeah I see the same, it's the outer border of the focus area. It is more prominent in certain lighting situations/backdrops. Don't think there is a fix for it unfortunately.

 

Strange can't say I have seen that. I just left my settings for the DFR at default as well.

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by dburne

[Supmua]

Haven't seen that either, but I've been mostly playing daytime campaign missions.  Other than occasional 1 sec pauses here and there the performance has been great in general.  These are like an hour long missions and most of the time I was just focusing on following objectives and being fuel conscious and not looking for visual defects.  What were the lighting situations and what's your brightness setting?

Edited March 25, 2023 by Supmua

[lei]

2 hours ago, Willdass said:

Yeah I see the same, it's the outer border of the focus area. It is more prominent in certain lighting situations/backdrops. Don't think there is a fix for it unfortunately.

in my case it is not the outer border, but the square is right where i look. even in day time it is noticeable because there is that brighter vs darker border moving when my eye moves. 

most strange is why it is on in one eye not both...

[Willdass]

7 minutes ago, lei said:

in my case it is not the outer border, but the square is right where i look. even in day time it is noticeable because there is that brighter vs darker border moving when my eye moves. 

most strange is why it is on in one eye not both...

Yeah thats what I mean, it’s the border between focus and peripheral area. So I see a change in brightness there. I will check if it is visible on a screenshot when I get home.
Will also check my brightness, but I think I have 75 in VB and 1.9gamma in dcs

[Gordy]

ooh, with the new quad view it's simply glorious... I keep turning up detail settings I'd dialed down, and I keep running at a solid 90 fps.    I only seem to get any hitches at all with clouds on ultra, and I can do without that.

[Willdass]

 

Tested again.

Brightness 75, Gamma 1.9. The brighter box is only visible on the left eye and follows my eye, as you described @lei. Does not show up in either screenshots or recordings. 

It may be connected to the lighting bug in MT where different lighting is displayed on each eye, I don't know... But it's strange that its a clear square box which follows the left eye.

[Supmua]

32 minutes ago, Willdass said:

 

Tested again.

Brightness 75, Gamma 1.9. The brighter box is only visible on the left eye and follows my eye, as you described @lei. Does not show up in either screenshots or recordings. 

It may be connected to the lighting bug in MT where different lighting is displayed on each eye, I don't know... But it's strange that its a clear square box which follows the left eye.

Did you use any specific mission to see this?  Just did another longish mission and I didn't really notice this but again I wasn't fully paying attention to the left eye view.

1 hour ago, Gordy said:

ooh, with the new quad view it's simply glorious... I keep turning up detail settings I'd dialed down, and I keep running at a solid 90 fps.    I only seem to get any hitches at all with clouds on ultra, and I can do without that.

The DFR in quad view is great, yes.  Hornet Syria DLC campaign 1st mission, I'm pretty much 90 fps all the way through once airborne...and this was also with my friend tagging along as a 2nd player.

[Supmua]

Couldn't reproduce the box that some of you guys are seeing.  I replicated the brightness and gamma, flew around with either eye closed, looking/glancing around, etc.  Are you using any particular mods, or any bloom effect or HMD marking in DCS VR setting?

[Willdass]

32 minutes ago, Supmua said:

Couldn't reproduce the box that some of you guys are seeing.  I replicated the brightness and gamma, flew around with either eye closed, looking/glancing around, etc.  Are you using any particular mods, or any bloom effect or HMD marking in DCS VR setting?

Its not mission specific, as I can see it on any map or mission. It is most noticeable (and even then its hard to see...) when holding my eyes still and just moving my head back and forth. Also the backdrop and amount of detail has a huge impact in my case. I rarely see it in the cockpit or when looking at the ground. Almost only when looking at a clear blue sky, with no clouds.
No bloom effect, no lens effect, no HMD mask and no mods.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Willdass

[Supmua]

9 minutes ago, Willdass said:

Its not mission specific, as I can see it on any map or mission. It is most noticeable (and even then its hard to see...) when holding my eyes still and just moving my head back and forth. Also the backdrop and amount of detail has a huge impact in my case. I rarely see it in the cockpit or when looking at the ground. Almost only when looking at a clear blue sky, with no clouds.
No bloom effect, no lens effect, no HMD mask and no mods.

 

OK, I actually see this now.  Hornet Nevada free flight.  Only when I look all the way up at the blue sky.  It's very faint box fairly small and very hard to notice unless you move your head around.  This is like looking for screen mura basically, some people probably won't even notice it's there.  Now that I see this I can't unsee it lol.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Supmua

[Willdass]

1 minute ago, Supmua said:

OK, I actually see this now.  Hornet Nevada free flight.  Only when I look all the way up at the blue sky.  It's very faint box fairly small and very hard to notice unless you move your head around.

 

Yeah, that's it. It's fairly hard to spot when you're constantly moving your eyes. So to me its not a big deal, still kind of annoying...

For me the box is about the size of the HUD, but squared. 

[Supmua]

2 minutes ago, Willdass said:

Yeah, that's it. It's fairly hard to spot when you're constantly moving your eyes. So to me its not a big deal, still kind of annoying...

For me the box is about the size of the HUD, but squared. 

Yeah I played missions after missions and never noticed it until you pointed it out.  Doesn't bother me either, this is nothing compared to PSVR2's screen mura which also doesn't bother me.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Supmua

[Willdass]

1 minute ago, Supmua said:

Yeah I played missions after missions and never noticed it until you pointed it out.

 

Sorry for doing that to you... Hope you can unsee it xD

[dburne]

So today I gave the Motion Reprojection set at automatic a try - seems to work a lot better than it used to.  Course it helps that I am at 90 fps far more than I used to be also. It is just incredible how far DCS has come in the last few weeks in VR especially with the Varjo headsets.

[Slick Twitchy]

I see the box as well, I think its the focus vs peripheral difference. (slight difference in brightness) in brighter environments.

And yes, small