New AI is not engaging in BVR

[šiknosparnis]

So after the new improved AI, when I wanted to try it out in BVR  the AI doesn't engage me at all, only shooting fox 2's when they get in range and if I shoot my BRV missile from far they only defend it when missile goes active, anyone knows how to fix this maybe? because it ruins the SP gameplay. 

[Aquorys]

I had a similar problem, see this thread in the New User Briefing Room section.

Long story short, with AI set to an ROE of "Weapons free", they did not follow waypoints and flew for hundreds of miles to engage random targets, and with any other ROE they did not defend themselves at all, unless I went into dogfights with them.

Might be worth a new thread on the DCS wishlist, there are some things wrong with the ROEs anyway, and I also think AI could use a more generic behavior setting that tells them how aggressive the AI pilots should act. Currently, if they decide to engage, they basically go full Kamikaze mode on a single target with no respect for self-preservation at all.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Aquorys

[šiknosparnis]

Thanks for the answer, so basically there is no solution? because in the previous update the AI wasn't good in BVR, but at least they engaged me. 

[Glide]

This is a very challenging problem to solve.  If you are testing the AI attack ability, you want them to attack and not fly around for hours waiting for them to "decide" to attack.  There has to be some predictability to their behaviour.  Check out Growling Sidewinders video on the new AI.  This is a work in progress, so it will get better.

Edited May 28, 2022 by Glide

[Aquorys]

On 5/28/2022 at 4:32 PM, Glide said:

If you are testing the AI attack ability, you want them to attack and not fly around for hours waiting for them to "decide" to attack.

That's what "Sweep" is for. In a "CAP" role, you would typically want to patrol an area, and certainly not have a single fighter aircraft go on an Kamikaze mission by flying 200 miles into enemy territory in order to attack an AWACS that's defended by 2 escort fighters and is flying in a region defended by a highly capable air defense system. That just doesn't make any sense.

I guess, what's really needed are some more settings on how the AI should behave - not just their task, like Sweep or CAP, but also their aggressiveness. Such a setting could control whether retreating aircraft are chased, or how much of a tactical advantage is required for the AI to press on. I guess I'll make a thread in the wishlist section for that, I have a rough idea how that could work.

Also, the ROEs should be renamed. E.g. "weapons hold" doesn't mean you can't fire to defend yourself, but that is what it currently does in DCS.

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Check out Growling Sidewinders video on the new AI.

Watched it, but it didn't make too much sense. It looked more like a showcase of failed AMRAAM guidance than one on BVR tactics.

[borid12]

On 5/27/2022 at 4:53 AM, šiknosparnis said:

So after the new improved AI, when I wanted to try it out in BVR  the AI doesn't engage me at all, only shooting fox 2's when they get in range and if I shoot my BRV missile from far they only defend it when missile goes active, anyone knows how to fix this maybe? because it ruins the SP gameplay. Pinterest GIF Downloader 

Also wanted this. Thanks, I've found suggestions in the comment section.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Not sure what this topic has to do with Clouds and Weather, but in any case... Some missions I have seen use "search then attack" triggers (instead of a CAP-role) and they have a specific area where that triggers applies. Perhaps that works better?

It looks like the Mission Editor is a very capable piece of software but it requires a lot of knowledge to make it shine (which I think most people - including myself - don't have).

[Vakarian]

7 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Not sure what this topic has to do with Clouds and Weather, but in any case... 

IIRC new users only have access to this sections so here's where they post their issues. Weird, but it's been like this for a while

[Dragon1-1]

Probably because someone tried to "organize" the forum by giving it way too many levels of hierarchy. Navigating the old layout was much easier (I envy the Russian forum which never got this crock forced on them), and it didn't have this problem.