Need help with new CH fighter stick setup

[emenance]

Well after 2nd saitek stick stopped working right I am going CH. So will have fighterstick, pedals, and throttle.

 

I noticed WAGS uses these and i hope they are good. Need advice on how to get setup since I am so used to Saitek software.

 

ALSO thinking about getting a collective from leftside-limited.com LATER. When I do get one should I save my still good saitek throttle for it or use it on the CH. I guess I could use on the CH I just dont want to get rid of the saitek yet incase I should be using it someday with the collective.

 

I will be flying mainly jets and get into Black Shark slow. As time in the world permits!!

 

Anyway if you guys can shed some light on my problem I would be very greatfull. Thank you! Oh CH setup is in the mail, I dont have it in front of me yet!!!

[Aeroscout]

Keep the saitek throttle for the collective. CH uses a sliding motion for the throttle and thus urze's collective won't work. However, you can mount the CH Throttle sideways so that it moves up and down next to you and it will feel like a collective. This is pretty cool as you still have all the buttons, but Urze's collective is sure to be 10.5x better.

 

Yes, CH was a good choice. I have the fighterstick and it is soooooo much more percise than my old X52. I can't comment on the throttle or pedals as I use saitek pedals and the X52 throttle. (My CH Pro throttle is in the mail too)

[emenance]

Thats a bummer, i was kinda hopeing to be rid of Saitek. owell. I cant wait to see how that is all going to work out with CH stuff running and Saitek trottle running. This brings even more questions...esp about switching back and forth from black Shark and LOMAC. Owell I know I should just wait till the stuff gets here and then make some conclusions.

 

However:) If anyone knows the traps I need to look out for, please dont forget me. Ill try to be getting back in to HL soon.

 

If anyone wants to make me an offer on the Saitek x52 stick that operates very smoothly. It works in the control panel, all the buttons work but in the game, nothing. I have tried reinstalls and even tried on another computer and got same result. You pay shipping UPS in original box if you want or I can repack it. Sold as is too.

[Shrubbo]

hehe ok CH stuff here we go..

 

1: When you unpack them your first impression is that you have made a terrible mistake. You just payed out a small fortune for stuff you have seen your mate playing with last century. Zero sex appeal. Seriously look "meh". You notice the stick isn't the same stick your mate had last century because it now has 3 lights on it and a USB plug. Same deal with the throttle, memories of the ubber throttle quadrant for the FLCS or the saitek come to mind as you stare as this bland piece of yawn. Then you pull out the pedals, soooo close together. Yep ... ripped off.

 

But NO! You aint hehhe. In fact you got what you paid for. Some seriously sweet hardware the has no style whatsoever but works like a treat.

 

1: Stick, looks meh. Spring pressure is way way low. You first thought is god this is not good. After you get used to it then you may start to think differently. I chuckle at all the trimming threads as I hardly ever trim unless I have to scratch my nuts or something. It is deadly accurate, does what it is meant to very very well. If your table is smooth and clean they won't move and inch.

 

2: Throttle, looks uber meh. WTF is up with this slide thing? Get used to it. Remember a collective should be used in the opposite way to a fighter. Fighter you would push forward to "power up". In a chopper you pull it towards you (Or up) to "power up". It won't take long to get the hang of this and now I can switch between chopper and planes no worries. You will be pleasantly surprised when you find out how accurate the thing is and another plus, it stays exactly where you left it. No creep. Also won't move if table is smooth and clean.

 

3: Pedals. Once again with all CH stuff. They look crap. Also a bit close together for my liking but you get used to it and they take up way less space then my old thrustmaster setup. Once again very very accurate. However on carpet the damn things move around like they have a life of their own. I jammed a couple of books between them and the wall that sorted the problem :)

 

4: Every one of them need a USB 2.0 port. The DO NOT daisy chain. If you don't have that many ports spare you have to get a powered USB hub but make sure it will work with them.

 

Anyway as you can tell I love them. I spent quite a bit of time doing research before I bought them. I wanted something that I did not have to modify out of the box and I wanted it to work well. The only thing I have to find out for myself is the longevity of them, So far I have flogged them hard for a couple of months and still deadly accurate. Time will tell on long term but from what I have read it should be pretty good.

 

Some linkages for you.. another one of the reasons I bought CH. Community support is hardcore :)

 

The CH Hangar

http://www.ch-hangar.com/

 

Stickworks...

http://home.att.net/~stickworks/contents.htm

 

From these forums comes this thread by Ghost...

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=33591

 

Want to mod that CH stuff aye??

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=35520

Now scroll down......

You just started grinning didn't you emenance :thumbup:

 

Anyway questions about programing should not be directed at me because I know squat about it. I learned to program in only what I needed, I was more interested in flying then fighting so as long as the gear came up and I got toe brakes I am a happy camper :)

Edited January 5, 2009 by Shrubbo

[brewber19]

Quoted For TRUTH!

 

I have CH Fighterstick, Throttle and Pedals and Shrubbo describes exactly the thoughts of someone (like I did) putting away my Saitek shiny shiny toys and picking up some decent hardware.

 

Two years later and more hours of use than I am prepared to ever admit...still in great shape.

 

Buy CH...you can't go wrong. I would only buy CH in future (I've used Saitek X45, X52, pedals and stock Cougar....never again).

 

 

hehe ok CH stuff here we go..

 

1: When you unpack them your first impression is that you have made a terrible mistake. You just payed out a small fortune for stuff you have seen your mate playing with last century. Zero sex appeal. Seriously look "meh". You notice the stick isn't the same stick your mate had last century because it now has 3 lights on it and a USB plug. Same deal with the throttle, memories of the ubber throttle quadrant for the FLCS or the saitek come to mind as you stare as this bland piece of yawn. Then you pull out the pedals, soooo close together. Yep ... ripped off.

 

But NO! You aint hehhe. In fact you got what you paid for. Some seriously sweet hardware the has no style whatsoever but works like a treat.

 

1: Stick, looks meh. Spring pressure is way way low. You first thought is god this is not good. After you get used to it then you may start to think differently. I chuckle at all the trimming threads as I hardly ever trim unless I have to scratch my nuts or something. It is deadly accurate, does what it is meant to very very well. If your table is smooth and clean they won't move and inch.

 

2: Throttle, looks uber meh. WTF is up with this slide thing? Get used to it. Remember a collective should be used in the opposite way to a fighter. Fighter you would push forward to "power up". In a chopper you pull it towards you (Or up) to "power up". It won't take long to get the hang of this and now I can switch between chopper and planes no worries. You will be pleasantly surprised when you find out how accurate the thing is and another plus, it stays exactly where you left it. No creep. Also won't move if table is smooth and clean.

 

3: Pedals. Once again with all CH stuff. They look crap. Also a bit close together for my liking but you get used to it and they take up way less space then my old thrustmaster setup. Once again very very accurate. However on carpet the damn things move around like they have a life of their own. I jammed a couple of books between them and the wall that sorted the problem :)

 

4: Every one of them need a USB 2.0 port. The DO NOT daisy chain. If you don't have that many ports spare you have to get a powered USB hub but make sure it will work with them.

 

Anyway as you can tell I love them. I spent quite a bit of time doing research before I bought them. I wanted something that I did not have to modify out of the box and I wanted it to work well. The only thing I have to find out for myself is the longevity of them, So far I have flogged them hard for a couple of months and still deadly accurate. Time will tell on long term but from what I have read it should be pretty good.

 

Some linkages for you.. another one of the reasons I bought CH. Community support is hardcore :)

 

The CH Hangar

http://www.ch-hangar.com/

 

Stickworks...

http://home.att.net/~stickworks/contents.htm

 

From these forums comes this thread by Ghost...

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=33591

 

Want to mod that CH stuff aye??

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=35520

Now scroll down......

You just started grinning didn't you emenance :thumbup:

 

Anyway questions about programing should not be directed at me because I know squat about it. I learned to program in only what I needed, I was more interested in flying then fighting so as long as the gear came up and I got toe brakes I am a happy camper :)

[emenance]

Thank you very much shrubbo!!!!!!!!!

[Axion]

I have the above three obligatory control surfaces and I cannot fault them. :thumbup:

[RedTiger]

Wow, I had the exact opposite feeling when I first opened the boxes, Shrubbo.

 

It felt like I had a professional piece of hardware in my hands rather than cheap junk made for video games. They look like equipment that would be at home on heavy-duty machinery. In fact, CH makes controls for industrial-grade machines:

 

http://www.chproducts.com/oem/index.asp

 

They do not "look like crap" unless you describe the yoke you'd find on an actual Cessna Citation or the HOTAS you'd find in an F-16 or F-15 as looking like crap. They're not made to look like anything, they are made to do a job and do it very well.

[Teapot]

... I hardly ever trim unless I have to scratch my nuts or something ... I got toe brakes I am a happy camper :)

 

Lol Shrubbo mate! Probably the Thrustmaster rudder pedals with it's wide pedal placement is more *nut scratching* friendly than the CH pedals ... but the CH toe brakes must be a real plus.

 

But the general positive endorsement is enlightening!

 

RT, sounds like you're a CH endorsee too. Mate, it might just tip me over the edge and make an investment one day soon.

 

Cheers,

[Shrubbo]

Hehe I thought they looked like crap when I first saw them in the early part of the 90's?? That sound about right? They still look like crap imo ;)

 

Seriously ...

 

There be no sexy there mate, none. That right there looks like a $2 hooker. I may in fact be absolutely in love with the thing but love is blind, cause that's a freakin' plain jane right there :megalol:

 

Now look at this...

 

Oh baby, now that is sweet. Unfortunately looks wasn't the only thing I was after that's why I have all CH gear. Now that does actually look like something you would find in an f16.. dead sexy baby:thumbup:

[Shrubbo]

......But the general positive endorsement is enlightening!

 

Heheh general? I only don't like the looks (Oh and the pedal width), never have and never will. As for the rest well all I can say is a bought them over everything else after a lot of consideration and I must say I am very happy with the choice I made.

[Pilotasso]

I have CH pedals, super reliable. Distance between pedals does not bother me much. However I tried the stick and throttle. Both have more buttons than I need. But they have few major gripes that kept me form aquiring them myself:

 

1) No afterburner detent on the throttle.

2) the stick handle is just too big.

 

It wouldnt be the first time someone would tell me to place the stick lower and get used to the throttle. I dont have a manner to place the stick lower (custumized side chair supports are out of the question for me) in order to reach the top buttons. I dont think it would ever quite feel right "grabbing the stick from above" like that anyway.

Edited January 14, 2009 by Pilotasso

[Teapot]

I dont think it would ever quite feel right "grabbing the stick from above" ...

 

Before I stopped flying sims (about 7 years ago), I'd made myself a wooden stand in a "Z" shape that slotted under my "flying" chair, so that my F-22 was approximating the conventional stick position for a central column. My rudder pedals hooked into the floor end of the contraption. I also had a conveniently placed re-cycled Nixdorf all steel card rack placed on its end for my throttle assembly stand. It was very comfortable, within *realistic* parameters and dare I say, ergonomic.

This setup had the advantage that it was highly portable and could be put away after a mission, so that my wife didn't have to be reminded of my hobby when I wasn't *flying*.

Now that I've begun flying again, I'll be making a simliar setup eventually!

 

Cheers,

Edited January 14, 2009 by Teapot

[RedTiger]

I have CH pedals, super reliable. Distance between pedals does not bother me much. However I tried the stick and throttle. Both have more buttons than I need. But they have few major gripes that kept me form aquiring them myself:

 

1) No afterburner detent on the throttle.

2) the stick handle is just too big.

 

It wouldnt be the first time someone would tell me to place the stick lower and get used to the throttle. I dont have a manner to place the stick lower (custumized side chair supports are out of the question for me) in order to reach the top buttons. I dont think it would ever quite feel right "grabbing the stick from above" like that anyway.

 

The size is a common complaint, however I have used the Fighterstick at un-F-16 levels of height above the floor and I didn't have any problems. I don't think the "correct" height would make you grip it from above. It would be more like a comfortable position with your arm at hip level (again, think about the F-16).

 

Barring that, have you ever seen those enormous blocks with buttons some helicopters have on their collective? You have to think about it like that. You're not supposed to fly around with your thumb up on the pickle button all the time. My thumb is usually down around my fingers where you would expect it to be if you made a fist.

 

As for having too many buttons, I wish they'd get rid a of a few and put in some sliders or twist knobs. I need all those buttons as of now due to a lack of those.