Any speculation about Pico 4

[No1sonuk]

Non e of that explains the cable setup you posted...

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Quest2 or Pico 4?

[No1sonuk]

Pico 4.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

LAN: use a USB-C hub which has Ethernet port on it, as long as it is from the same router as the WiFi, pretend to connect using WiFi, works with either SA and VD.

USB-C, works only with SA, plug in a USB 3.0 port between the headset and the computer. Have not tried the super expensive USB-C cable from Meta, but any USB 3 cable should be fine.

[tomcat_driver]

How about via wifi 6? Has it been improved? I noticed there are a few beta patches of the official software in the making. What's the best latency like?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I use LAN only and think USB 3 may be faster. Sorry can't help here.

[No1sonuk]

2 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

LAN: use a USB-C hub which has Ethernet port on it, as long as it is from the same router as the WiFi, pretend to connect using WiFi, works with either SA and VD.

Would it be the same if the computer and headset were plugged into the same network hub?
How do I set the Pico to use the wired adaptor?
 

44 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

I use LAN only and think USB 3 may be faster. Sorry can't help here.

So is direct USB and SA better than your LAN setup with VD?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

31 minutes ago, No1sonuk said:

Would it be the same if the computer and headset were plugged into the same network hub?
How do I set the Pico to use the wired adaptor?

Yes both PC and the headset on ethernet must be on the same network. And you don't need to set the Pico 4 to use the "LAN", rather just connect to VD right away. Actually, it works even when the WiFi on the headset is off.

33 minutes ago, No1sonuk said:

So is direct USB and SA better than your LAN setup with VD?

Good question. I just try flying on SA + USB-C and here is what I find, please note I am comparing it with VD in OpenComposite:

Good:

1. The frame rate is better, may be it is due to the fact that I fly in 3084 x 3084; and
2. Obviously, SA is free.

Not so good:

1. Image stuttering from time to time;
2. Even with OpenComposite, the image is much softer;
3. Objects and scenes further out are even softer! and
4. Not to mention, the SA on PC some how needs Admin right to run, very suspicious.

 

[No1sonuk]

Well this is just all stupidly confusing.  So far, I get the best image quality using VD and my Wifi 5, but low frame rate and high latency.

4 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

And you don't need to set the Pico 4 to use the "LAN", rather just connect to VD right away.

So just plug in the ethernet adaptor to the Pico 4 USB C port and it magically just works without any settings changes?

Edited January 1, 2023 by No1sonuk

[Bearskin]

So I just got DCS world running again without SteamVR, so for anyone who is interested, download open composite launcher, the link can be found on the openxr toolkit page under the step by step chapter. Extract it and open up opencomposite. Press switch to opencomposite. Start virtual desktop, then open the virtual desktop streamer icon on your taskbar. Then long click with the right vr controller on the virtual desktop streamer icon on the taskbar and a pop up should appear, click launch game, a pop up error will appear along with a window titled launch game. In this window go to your DCS world folder, then open the Bin folder and click the DCS world.exe. There is no need to download the openxr toolkit, just the open composite launcher.

With the open composite launcher it stores all your games as you use them for the first time since installing opencomposite, so you have to go into configure and click each game to start with Opencomposite or steam, I have only got DCS world so far running without steam VR so the rest of my games I switch to Steam.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

4 hours ago, No1sonuk said:

So just plug in the ethernet adaptor to the Pico 4 USB C port and it magically just works without any settings changes?

Yes, make sure your ethernet is on the same network with your WiFi.

[No1sonuk]

So can I use this to connect the PC to the USB-ethernet adapter:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Ethernet-Unmanaged-Internet-Splitter/dp/B07PYSNSDD/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1GSTS2VEX532U&keywords=gigabit+switch&qid=1672615191&sprefix=gigabit%2Caps%2C75&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

[propeler]

Printed test version of face mask. Almost what I want. Could be lower even more 3-4mm. FoV increases SIGNIFICANTLY! I do not understand why original mask is so bad. Why not to make lo profile mask from very beginning.

Need to redraw mask with lower profile on lower part of mask to produce more correct angle. In current edition it slightly turns headset upward.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

On 1/1/2023 at 11:28 PM, No1sonuk said:

So can I use this to connect the PC to the USB-ethernet adapter:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Ethernet-Unmanaged-Internet-Splitter/dp/B07PYSNSDD/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1GSTS2VEX532U&keywords=gigabit+switch&qid=1672615191&sprefix=gigabit%2Caps%2C75&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

Yes and no. Yes, the device shown here can connect to both the PC and the USB-ethernet hub adaptor and no, I have no idea how your network setup to make it integrate to your network, is so I cannot comment.

[tomcat_driver]

On 1/2/2023 at 12:28 AM, No1sonuk said:

So can I use this to connect the PC to the USB-ethernet adapter:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Ethernet-Unmanaged-Internet-Splitter/dp/B07PYSNSDD/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1GSTS2VEX532U&keywords=gigabit+switch&qid=1672615191&sprefix=gigabit%2Caps%2C75&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

That's switch, no. You need a router to create a network.

[No1sonuk]

4 hours ago, tomcat_driver said:

That's switch, no. You need a router to create a network.

Not entirely accurate...
I just CONFIRMED that the Pico 4, with this adapter CAN connect to a PC via a gigabit switch.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08Q36HB3G?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

In fact, my home network switch (Netgear GS108) is rated 1G and I had VD reporting "5 GHz | 1200 Mbs" with the headset's Wifi turned OFF.
That switch is connected to my ISP router, but the home network is only connected to the switch.

I'd be quite happy with extending that setup if I wasn't returning the Pico 4 because of other issues - Primarily image quality WRT a normal monitor, and motion sickness issues.
Also, I prefer the head tracking setup and being able to use my mouse and keyboard.

[tomcat_driver]

Lol. Your whole network, in other words, is routed by a router and not the switch. A switch is a layer 2 device (datalink) while a router is a layer 3 (network).

[No1sonuk]

Which is why I said "not entirely accurate".

Having PROVED what I wanted to do works...

 

 

 

 

 

[Daerchanar]

Does wireless headphones interfere with Pico 4's wireless performance?

[No1sonuk]

4 hours ago, Daerchanar said:

Does wireless headphones interfere with Pico 4's wireless performance?

Bluetooth headphones have lag problems. 

[Daerchanar]

1 hour ago, No1sonuk said:

Bluetooth headphones have lag problems. 

Sorry thanks, but that was not the question.

[No1sonuk]

Anything that uses the same frequency band can interfere.  With digital signals, that usually manifests itself as breaking up on audio, low fps on video, or lag/reduced speeds for data.
Bear in mind you'll be streaming A LOT of data for the VR. If that's on 5GHz, you need to be sure your audio is on 2.4GHz (e.g. the aforementioned laggy Bluetooth).

[propeler]

GeekVR mask arrived. Pico is awesome with it! Excelent FOV.

That's what I really see on DCS from neutral position after VR reset pressed. Green is thinner mask, pink - thicker one. There two of them in a set:

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by propeler

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I ordered one, don't work with glasses wearer. Shame.

[No1sonuk]

6 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

I ordered one, don't work with glasses wearer. Shame.

IIRC, you can get clip-in prescription lenses.