Phoenix on Phoenix Kill?

[bonesvf103]

So I was doing the PG BVR mission and I fired 2 AIM-54Cs at 30000 ft, flying as fast as I could, at Fulcrums that were 25-30 miles away (closer to 30).  As I monitored things, Jester called splash.  I thought, OK, one Fulcrum dead.  BUt when I merged both were still up and unscathed.

As it turned out, my 2nd Phoenix killed my first Phoenix!  How is that possible?  In addition to that, the Fulcrum had deployed chaff to trash the Phoenix.  I would think that a countermeasure resistant AIM-54C would fare better against that than it did.

TacView attached, missile on missile kill at 12:02:20.  Also shown in results at 15:32:40

 

I dunno, but after the last updates, I basically can't get a single Phoenix to hit even though it's the same mission and I attacked the same way where I was getting 90+% kill ratio.  I even went in as close as 25 nm and shot from high altitude and highspeed and they still missed.  They get dodged alot, no matter if they were As or Cs.  And now they are killing each other.

Puzzled.

v6,

boNes

Tacview-20221026-231141-DCS.zip.acmi

[IronMike]

22 minutes ago, bonesvf103 said:

So I was doing the PG BVR mission and I fired 2 AIM-54Cs at 30000 ft, flying as fast as I could, at Fulcrums that were 25-30 miles away (closer to 30).  As I monitored things, Jester called splash.  I thought, OK, one Fulcrum dead.  BUt when I merged both were still up and unscathed.

As it turned out, my 2nd Phoenix killed my first Phoenix!  How is that possible?  In addition to that, the Fulcrum had deployed chaff to trash the Phoenix.  I would think that a countermeasure resistant AIM-54C would fare better against that than it did.

TacView attached, missile on missile kill at 12:02:20.  Also shown in results at 15:32:40

 

I dunno, but after the last updates, I basically can't get a single Phoenix to hit even though it's the same mission and I attacked the same way where I was getting 90+% kill ratio.  I even went in as close as 25 nm and shot from high altitude and highspeed and they still missed.  They get dodged alot, no matter if they were As or Cs.  And now they are killing each other.

Puzzled.

v6,

boNes

Tacview-20221026-231141-DCS.zip.acmi 668.3 kB · 0 downloads

Best to wait till after today's patch to compare and see.

[bonesvf103]

Sounds good, thanks

v6,

boNes

[RaisedByWolves]

6 hours ago, IronMike said:

Best to wait till after today's patch to compare and see.

You mean tomorrows patch?

[IronMike]

2 hours ago, RaisedByWolves said:

You mean tomorrows patch?

Yeah it has been moved once more unfortunately.

[bonesvf103]

Hi,

 

OK I tried it with the patch.  On the one hand, I did get another Phoenix killing Phoenix instance.  On the other hand, when I fly it a few more times, the Phoenixes so far appear to behave much better now, I got 90-100% kill every time.  What I didn't kill I got with Sparrow or Sidewinder.  The bandits sure do know how to maneuver and smartly defend now!  He had my Sparrow and Sidewinder in a tailchase for a while before turning back at me and I had to take him with the gun, it's scary!

Thanks!  I'll let you know if anything else comes up.

v6,

boNes

[IronMike]

45 minutes ago, bonesvf103 said:

Hi,

 

OK I tried it with the patch.  On the one hand, I did get another Phoenix killing Phoenix instance.  On the other hand, when I fly it a few more times, the Phoenixes so far appear to behave much better now, I got 90-100% kill every time.  What I didn't kill I got with Sparrow or Sidewinder.  The bandits sure do know how to maneuver and smartly defend now!  He had my Sparrow and Sidewinder in a tailchase for a while before turning back at me and I had to take him with the gun, it's scary!

Thanks!  I'll let you know if anything else comes up.

v6,

boNes

Great to hear. Missiles intercepting missiles is ED side.