Very effective translational lift

[Moxica]

Is it to effective?
It feels right in take-off situations, but when I need to make small forward corrections during landing, it seem to me to maybe be exaggerated. I can not make forward correction small enough to avoid increased altitude, following correction of collective, leading to horisontal rotation; I was almost there, but now I must make a go-around.
I hope you know what I mean, and have experienced that to. 
Maybe I just need more practice. Any thoughts?

Edited November 11, 2022 by Moxica

[Swift.]

I can't personally say I've experienced anything like that. I have noticed the ground effect being pretty punchy, but that would be vertical movements more than lateral. 

Do you have a track or recording we can look at, to get a better idea of the situation?

[DishDoggie]

Lol I replied to you here thinking it was about the Huey sorry about they mistake. Man I'm getting old. The AH-64D is a Bird I have not jumped into much.

[poochies]

I have seen this if I hover IGE and edge it forward to 5-7 knots she really starts climbing on landing approach i just try to keep a constant airspeed and lowering collective slowly then pull back to stop and adjust collective as needed it's definitely a lot to control at once and have to be ready on the pedals etc. My problem is the collective isn't very nimble has a large dead zone  I have to move my joystick quite a bit to actually move the collective stick not sure if that's on my side or meant to be that way 

[Lurker]

On 11/11/2022 at 1:50 PM, Moxica said:

Is it to effective?
It feels right in take-off situations, but when I need to make small forward corrections during landing, it seem to me to maybe be exaggerated. I can not make forward correction small enough to avoid increased altitude, following correction of collective, leading to horisontal rotation; I was almost there, but now I must make a go-around.
I hope you know what I mean, and have experienced that to. 
Maybe I just need more practice. Any thoughts?

 

The answer to these types of questions is usually down to two things. Muscle memory and the use of input devices which do not correspond to actual aircraft cyclic and collective. The throw of our computer devices is much, much shorter, which in turn requires our movements to be much more miniscule for the same desired effect. 

[Moxica]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

The answer to these types of questions is usually down to two things. Muscle memory and the use of input devices which do not correspond to actual aircraft cyclic and collective. The throw of our computer devices is much, much shorter, which in turn requires our movements to be much more miniscule for the same desired effect. 

I agree, and thx!
Lately I've focused more on tiny movements, and using VR I get quite good feedback on vertical movement.
Somehow my challenge is connected to the weird effect the SCAS has on the pedals; It counter small movements, reducing them to zero effect.

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, Moxica said:

I agree, and thx!
Lately I've focused more on tiny movements, and using VR I get quite good feedback on vertical movement.
Somehow my challenge is connected to the weird effect the SCAS has on the pedals; It counter small movements, reducing them to zero effect.

If you want direct control of the Apache, without the computer flight assist systems fighting you, you need to press and HOLD the force release trim button. This is how the real helicopter is designed too. Once you release FTR the computer once again will try and assist you to keep the helicopter in it's last known trim. 

[Moxica]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

If you want direct control of the Apache, without the computer flight assist systems fighting you, you need to press and HOLD the force release trim button. This is how the real helicopter is designed too. Once you release FTR the computer once again will try and assist you to keep the helicopter in it's last known trim. 

Wow! That was just what the doctor ordered! Thanks a lot!
I read somewhere that I had to edit some *.lua file to turn of the SCAS.
I tested just now. Different world! 
I repeat: Thanks a lot!   

[Chic]

On 11/15/2022 at 8:46 AM, Lurker said:

If you want direct control of the Apache, without the computer flight assist systems fighting you, you need to press and HOLD the force release trim button. This is how the real helicopter is designed too. Once you release FTR the computer once again will try and assist you to keep the helicopter in it's last known trim. 

My understanding is that the DCS Apache in its current state works as you describe relative to the FTR and S/CAS functionality.

However, in the “real helicopter”, S/CAS functionality is not disabled by the FTR.  I believe that this will be fixed in future patches.  

Edited December 21, 2022 by Chic

[Moxica]

That is what I also found out. Embarassingly I disabled the attitude hold when I tested.
No need to "press and hold" jus a short down (or left) to disable.
Press-and-hold does nothing on my system.
But hey! Practice makes wonders.   

Edited December 22, 2022 by Moxica

[bradmick]

The only function you get with the force trim interrupted “in the real aircraft” is CAS. All SAS functions are disabled, you, the pilot, are the SAS when holding the force trim interrupted.

Edited December 23, 2022 by bradmick

[Swift.]

5 hours ago, bradmick said:

The only function you get with the force trim interrupted “in the real aircraft” is CAS. All SAS functions are disabled, you, the pilot, are the SAS when holding the force trim interrupted.

 

By CAS do you mean the rate dampening? ie the sleeves just act to remove errant wiggles and don't try to hold position.

Just trying to figure out if my previous understanding was mistaken.

[bradmick]

Rate damping is a part of SAS