Winwing F16 Orion 2 MFSSB

[Scott-S6]

On 6/10/2023 at 2:07 PM, BaronVonVaderham said:

I like your arm support solution. Very practical!

As for the rake, I unde4rstood (maybe incorrectly) that you can use thrustmaster grips on WW bases, in which case I'm sure there is an adapter that can be used to give you that rake.

Not being able to judge one from another, I think I'll get the regular one. If I get an opportunity to try FSSB, then maybe I will change the base.

 

Yes and no - where RS and virpil decided to make their attachment system TM compatible, WW's isn't. They do make a piece so that you can fit a TM grip to their bases so yes, you can sort the angle out by buying their base, their adaptor, a TM compatible grip and a 3rd party component (or their base, the adaptor and an RS grip). Can't do it using their grip with their base though. 

In contrast RS offer grips with the rake built in and an adaptor piece to provide the correct rake with TM compatible grips.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Scott-S6

[agamemnon_b5]

On 11/29/2022 at 7:58 AM, crispy12 said:

DCS
Pitch expo: -5% 
Roll expo: -2%

What is "expo"?

[Swiso]

Hello @crispy12 and @Scott-S6, thanks for all these informations.

I am thinking about buying a new base and I am undecided which way to go between the basic Orion 2 or the MFSSB version.

I would like your thoughts about a couple of questions..

I would use that base mainly for DCS but not only for the Viper module... I also fly the Viggen, A-10, F/A-18 and the Strike Eagle.

How suitable would you think it would be for these modules, apart for the Viper ? 

Speaking of grips... I own the TM Warthog right now, plus the TM F/A-18 Grip.

I read somewhere on this forum or in Reddit that 1) if you connect a TM Grip (through the WW conversion kit) you won't be able to set key commands on SimApp software, and 2) someone said that because of the weight of TM grips, they are really not recommended for the Orion 2 base...

So, in the end...if I decide to go with the WW Orion 2 base, which one you think is best suited ? 

Thanks ! 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Swiso

[rob10]

5 hours ago, Swiso said:

So, in the end...if I decide to go with the WW Orion 2 base, which one you think is best suited ? 

Thanks !

I know you're looking at the WinWing base, but have you considered the Virpil WarBRD base?  I have the WW throttle and love it, but TBH I found the WW base too "mushy" for lack of a better word vs the Virpil with TM F-18 grip.  I had the Virpil 1st and at the time the WW throttle only came bundled with the base/grip so I ended up with it too.  Majority of my flying is F-18, although I have dabbled with the F-16.

[Swiso]

Yes, looked at Virpil too,  at the T50 CM3.... look very well built... why I should go with the WarBRD instead of the T50 CM3?

The main thing about going for WW is that in the coming days I will receive the F-15EX Throttle and I am tempted by the MFSSB base.

Add the fact that having all the devices from the same brand mean using one software program to set them up would make this work easier.

Edited October 28, 2023 by Swiso

[Scott-S6]

19 hours ago, Swiso said:

Hello @crispy12 and @Scott-S6, thanks for all these informations.

I am thinking about buying a new base and I am undecided which way to go between the basic Orion 2 or the MFSSB version.

I would like your thoughts about a couple of questions..

I would use that base mainly for DCS but not only for the Viper module... I also fly the Viggen, A-10, F/A-18 and the Strike Eagle.

How suitable would you think it would be for these modules, apart for the Viper ? 

Speaking of grips... I own the TM Warthog right now, plus the TM F/A-18 Grip.

I read somewhere on this forum or in Reddit that 1) if you connect a TM Grip (through the WW conversion kit) you won't be able to set key commands on SimApp software, and 2) someone said that because of the weight of TM grips, they are really not recommended for the Orion 2 base...

So, in the end...if I decide to go with the WW Orion 2 base, which one you think is best suited ? 

Thanks ! 

 

The win wing ffb base is just weird. It's not a correct implementation at all and it just doesn't work well in my opinion. The lack of an angle adaptor is also a major negative.

If you want force sensing the realsimulator is the only good one, imo.

Edited October 28, 2023 by Scott-S6

[Scott-S6]

1 hour ago, Swiso said:

Yes, looked at Virpil too,  at the T50 CM3.... look very well built... why I should go with the WarBRD instead of the T50 CM3?

The main thing about going for WW is that in the coming days I will receive the F-15EX Throttle and I am tempted by the MFSSB base.

Add the fact that having all the devices from the same brand mean using one software program to set them up would make this work easier.

 

The CM3 base doesn't really work for use on top of a desk (too tall, stiff springs, reduced range of motion to use with an extension) so if that's how you're going to use it then get the warbird instead. If you're going to be using a proper mount or putting it into a cockpit then the CM3 is great. (Same with super libra Vs Orion).

One app to configure them isn't as big a deal as you'd think, don't let that stop you from getting what you want.

A supre libra or CM3 with a low mount and extension plus whatever grip you prefer makes for a solid center stick.

I can't comment on warbird versus Orion for use on top of a desk, I haven't had a setup like that since long before those bases were released.

Edited October 28, 2023 by Scott-S6

[Swiso]

28 minutes ago, Scott-S6 said:

The CM3 base doesn't really work for use on top of a desk (too tall, stuff springs, reduced range of motion to use with an extension) so if that's how you're going to use it then get the warbird instead. If you're going to be using a proper mount or putting it into a cockpit then the CM3 is great.

One app to configure them isn't as big a deal as you'd think, don't let that stop you from getting what you want.

A supre libra or CM3 with a low mount and extension plus whatever grip you prefer makes for a solid center stick.

I can't comment on warbird versus Orion for use on top of a desk, I haven't had a setup like that since long before those bases were released.

 

Hey, thanks for your inputs ! 
I forgot to add that the Warthog HOTAS right now is fixed on Monstertech Table mounts, so the new setup would be fixed on those mounts.

Super Libra is EOL, that's why I looked at the new Orion 2....either the MFSSB or basic...

Yes, I know Realsimulator, but it's too expensive for my pockets.

When you say the MFSSB miss "an angle adaptor" you mean laterally or vertically ? 
 

EDIT: I think I know what you mean by angle adapter.... I have found this diagram, so basically the real F-16 stick is angled toward the right for 12 degrees.
This could be solved by fixing the base to the table mount with 12 degrees right.... don't think it will be a big deal.

Apart from the angle observation, were you able to find the correct settings and which mode was best for you ?

Looking for reviews from people that have this stick, the vast majority had problems finding the right spot, but many say that when they found out the correct setting, it is an amazing setup.

I'm curious about your experience with this point.

Thanks !
 

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Swiso

[rob10]

3 hours ago, Scott-S6 said:

The CM3 base doesn't really work for use on top of a desk (too tall, stiff springs, reduced range of motion to use with an extension) so if that's how you're going to use it then get the warbird instead. If you're going to be using a proper mount or putting it into a cockpit then the CM3 is great. (Same with super libra Vs Orion).

One app to configure them isn't as big a deal as you'd think, don't let that stop you from getting what you want.

A supre libra or CM3 with a low mount and extension plus whatever grip you prefer makes for a solid center stick.

I can't comment on warbird versus Orion for use on top of a desk, I haven't had a setup like that since long before those bases were released.

 

From what I've read, if you intend to use an extension on your stick CM3 is the way to go, otherwise WarBRD is as good or better option.  My WarBRD is on a homemade stand between my legs/in my lap. Never used a CM3 so I can't directly comment on it.

Agree with the "don't worry about multiple software" comment.  I run a combo of Thrustmaster grip, Virpil base and Wingwing throttle/MFD/UFC.  I run the WinWIng software due to the MFD's and to sync the lights on the throttle.  I don't think I've run the Virpil software since I set up the base, and basically the same could have been said about the TM software when I had my TM throttle.  The only other software I run is AutoHotKey to use the secondary OSB buttons (the extra ones between the real OSB's) as Function keys for Comm's menus.  The proviso to this is that I bind all buttons directly in DCS rather than using hardware provider software for binding.

[Swiso]

49 minutes ago, rob10 said:

From what I've read, if you intend to use an extension on your stick CM3 is the way to go, otherwise WarBRD is as good or better option.  My WarBRD is on a homemade stand between my legs/in my lap. Never used a CM3 so I can't directly comment on it.

Agree with the "don't worry about multiple software" comment.  I run a combo of Thrustmaster grip, Virpil base and Wingwing throttle/MFD/UFC.  I run the WinWIng software due to the MFD's and to sync the lights on the throttle.  I don't think I've run the Virpil software since I set up the base, and basically the same could have been said about the TM software when I had my TM throttle.  The only other software I run is AutoHotKey to use the secondary OSB buttons (the extra ones between the real OSB's) as Function keys for Comm's menus.  The proviso to this is that I bind all buttons directly in DCS rather than using hardware provider software for binding.

Hi, no, I don't plan to use any extension...I would mount on Monstertech Table mounts

https://www.monster.tech/en/product/joystick-hotas-table-mount/

I will take a closer look at the WarBRD then.

Still tempted by the MFSSB base though...

Thanks for your input.

 

[Scott-S6]

On 10/28/2023 at 2:15 PM, Swiso said:

Hey, thanks for your inputs ! 
I forgot to add that the Warthog HOTAS right now is fixed on Monstertech Table mounts, so the new setup would be fixed on those mounts.

Super Libra is EOL, that's why I looked at the new Orion 2....either the MFSSB or basic...

Yes, I know Realsimulator, but it's too expensive for my pockets.

When you say the MFSSB miss "an angle adaptor" you mean laterally or vertically ? 
 

EDIT: I think I know what you mean by angle adapter.... I have found this diagram, so basically the real F-16 stick is angled toward the right for 12 degrees.
This could be solved by fixing the base to the table mount with 12 degrees right.... don't think it will be a big deal.

Apart from the angle observation, were you able to find the correct settings and which mode was best for you ?

Looking for reviews from people that have this stick, the vast majority had problems finding the right spot, but many say that when they found out the correct setting, it is an amazing setup.

I'm curious about your experience with this point.

Thanks !
 

 

 

 

 

Yes, rotating the whole assembly including the base forward 12-13 degrees also does the trick. I recommend this for any side stick.

I didn't find any mode of the ww force sensing base to be usable. It's fundamentally flawed imo (like they just read a description of how it's supposed to work and didn't understand it).

Edited October 29, 2023 by Scott-S6

[Swiso]

Thanks,

Looking at Realsimulator bases i must say they are not that much more expensives than the WW MFSSB Orion 2 base.... mmmh...might have a look....

Edited October 29, 2023 by Swiso