Mission 16 part 3

[L4key]

Hi - any tips for this? I keep getting SAM’d before I can get to hit the first target that is announced.

Its a right old hornets nest around the waypoint and no mistake!

On about my 5th try so wondered if there was anything beyond normal SAM avoidance I could do as I’ve not been very good at it so far!

Cheers. Best campaign evs BTW. 

[ChillNG]

17 hours ago, L4key said:

Hi - any tips for this? I keep getting SAM’d before I can get to hit the first target that is announced.

Its a right old hornets nest around the waypoint and no mistake!

On about my 5th try so wondered if there was anything beyond normal SAM avoidance I could do as I’ve not been very good at it so far!

Cheers. Best campaign evs BTW. 

Hey, thanks for the comments!  There's not much to it to be honest, just the basic SAM avoidance techniques.  Biggest threats are the SA-6s, there are three in range of the target but you will only have one online at any one time.  It's been ages since I flown this one but from memory things were a little safer west of the target (towards the mountains at the Lebanese border), this is a safer place to loiter and press your attacks from.

 

[bushido]

I have an issue with the Mig29 at the very beggining.

Trying to stay with the leader initialy but they engage very late with AIM9 only and because the MIGs are ignoring all aircraft but mine I consistently get shoot by one of them.

I try another tactic and rush east to join the F15 and hope for protection, but the F15 are not engaging the mig they just pass by and here again the Mig ignore the F15 and focus on me.

I'm not good at A/A I know it but I try it like 6 or 7 time and the outcome is always the same, I sometime shoot 1 with an amraam, two if I'm lucky but they always manage to shoot me down while my teamate are living thir best live far away from the fight (like attacking a Sam with a maverik in a middle of a dogfight or doing nothing at all like the F15).

It's a bit frustrating considering its the final one of an overall great campaign. Any tips ?

[ChillNG]

1 hour ago, bushido said:

I have an issue with the Mig29 at the very beggining.

Trying to stay with the leader initialy but they engage very late with AIM9 only and because the MIGs are ignoring all aircraft but mine I consistently get shoot by one of them.

I try another tactic and rush east to join the F15 and hope for protection, but the F15 are not engaging the mig they just pass by and here again the Mig ignore the F15 and focus on me.

I'm not good at A/A I know it but I try it like 6 or 7 time and the outcome is always the same, I sometime shoot 1 with an amraam, two if I'm lucky but they always manage to shoot me down while my teamate are living thir best live far away from the fight (like attacking a Sam with a maverik in a middle of a dogfight or doing nothing at all like the F15).

It's a bit frustrating considering its the final one of an overall great campaign. Any tips ?

I normally stay back as far as possible whenever the migs give me trouble, just play for time.  IIRC I would hang back somewhere near the Jordanian border (this will put you around the SW edge of the SA-6 threat ring at Tha'lah AB).  The AI will kill the Migs for you...Link, Newt and the F15s are all set to engage them at certain criteria and there are fail-safes built in for this if the AI goes a bit funny, failsafes are around 4-6 mins from the start of the engagement.

[bushido]

Thanks ChillNG, anchoring at the rendez vous point did the trick.

[ChillNG]

32 minutes ago, bushido said:

Thanks ChillNG, anchoring at the rendez vous point did the trick.

No probs 

[Jettax]

Hi,
I play this campaign and I have to say it's great, difficult but great.
I don't want to create a new topic, so I'll write here because I also have a problem with this mission.
First of all: after take-off, the whole flight is to meet at a designated place. And when I get there, my wingman, Devil 1-3, flies back to the airport and then returns, but he doesn't join me at all.
Second: when attacking the main target, a low-flying target appears in the vicinity of it (on SA page). And as soon as I get close to him within the lock distance, the game gets a huge breathlessness, fps drops below 10, the CPU barely manages, it can be seen in the FPS and frametime window (I play in VR). If somehow manage to destroy this target, the game returns to normal. I checked it three times and the result is the same each time. It's as if some script has turned on and silted up the CPU completely.
Regards and I look forward to the next part of this fantastic campaign.

[ChillNG]

45 minutes ago, Jettax said:

Hi,
I play this campaign and I have to say it's great, difficult but great.
I don't want to create a new topic, so I'll write here because I also have a problem with this mission.
First of all: after take-off, the whole flight is to meet at a designated place. And when I get there, my wingman, Devil 1-3, flies back to the airport and then returns, but he doesn't join me at all.
Second: when attacking the main target, a low-flying target appears in the vicinity of it (on SA page). And as soon as I get close to him within the lock distance, the game gets a huge breathlessness, fps drops below 10, the CPU barely manages, it can be seen in the FPS and frametime window (I play in VR). If somehow manage to destroy this target, the game returns to normal. I checked it three times and the result is the same each time. It's as if some script has turned on and silted up the CPU completely.
Regards and I look forward to the next part of this fantastic campaign.

Hi thanks for the comments, glad you're enjoying!  Just checked the mission, the first part played put correctly for me, Devil 1-3 does take quite a large orbit around the first waypoint, but this is to mitigate for the AI turning too tight and stalling into the ground, he never should actually join you.  once the Migs show up and your comms are jammed he's straight into combat after.

Second point is an odd one, there is a helo you can engage at this target but I can't explain a frame drop when targeting it - there are no scripts or anything I'm running.  Guessing it's a core DCS bug, are you on multi-threading?  Could be a bug in that maybe.

 

 

[Jettax]

Thanks for reply.
I played it on ST and MT - worse is on ST (much higher fps drop) but no matter what it happens every time.
I try to make a screenshot with fps/frametime window. 

[ChillNG]

Is it when you use a particular weapon, or just when you lock up with the radar?

[Jettax]

I probably found what causes that game stutters. This is turning on AA mode. When I turned it off, the game started to run smoothly, when I turned it back on, the game started to stutter a lot and the fps dropped below 10. Screenshots below.
First screen shows when I'm turning on AA mode.
Second, when AA mode is on.
Third, when I'm turning AA mode off.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Jettax

[ChillNG]

It's a strange one, I'll flag it with ED.

[Ciervo111]

Hi,

Same here, huge FPS drop when setting AA mode in the vicinity of the main ground targets to shoot down the helo. Back to normal when returning to AG.

Great campaign BTW.

Cheers!

[Tobse]

Glad I found this thread: just revisiting the campaign and noticing the helo fps drop issue, even in the new DCS 2.9 . Serves as a great excuse for dying from getting shot in the face by the helo with a missile, though!

Cheers, Tobse

 

[Urban-Fighter]

This mission drives me crazy. I take off, we meet, then fly the the intercept and I get my Air-to-air-kill. So far so good. But then everything turns. As soon as I get close to the target area, I´m getting shot down. AAA everywhere and SAMs, that you sometimes do not even hear coming. I played it countless times. High profile, low profile and never succeed. I defend some SAMs sometimes but as soon as I want to attack my target again, I find myself in a burning wreck without wings. AGAIN! It was a nice campaign (very difficult but nice) but this very last step to complete the campaign takes all the fun away. Do I sound desperate? Well: yes. Every advice is welcome.

[ChillNG]

On 12/8/2022 at 3:59 PM, ChillNG said:

Hey, thanks for the comments!  There's not much to it to be honest, just the basic SAM avoidance techniques.  Biggest threats are the SA-6s, there are three in range of the target but you will only have one online at any one time.  It's been ages since I flown this one but from memory things were a little safer west of the target (towards the mountains at the Lebanese border), this is a safer place to loiter and press your attacks from.

 

On 1/22/2023 at 11:20 PM, ChillNG said:

I normally stay back as far as possible whenever the migs give me trouble, just play for time.  IIRC I would hang back somewhere near the Jordanian border (this will put you around the SW edge of the SA-6 threat ring at Tha'lah AB).  The AI will kill the Migs for you...Link, Newt and the F15s are all set to engage them at certain criteria and there are fail-safes built in for this if the AI goes a bit funny, failsafes are around 4-6 mins from the start of the engagement.

Hopefully these points help.

[Sparviero1978]

It is the best campaign I play but this mission is too much difficult and (IMHO) a bit unrealistic compared to the others... there are too many SAMs, no SEAD AND bad weather... 3 problems at once that made the mission a bit "arcade".

[Kurnass1977]

Confirm, very difficult.

Can hit ground target relatively easy, but was downed three time (!) by the chopper; is it equipped with IR suppressor? As the -9X had hard time to lock, generally inside the two miles and the Mil at this time already fired me

Edited April 24, 2024 by Kurnass1977

[ChillNG]

3 hours ago, Kurnass1977 said:

Confirm, very difficult.

Can hit ground target relatively easy, but was downes three time (!) by the chopper; is it equipped with IR suppressor, as the -9X had hard time to kock, generalli inside the two miles and the Mil at this time already fired me

 

The helicopter shot at you?

[Kurnass1977]

14 ore fa, ChillNG ha scritto:

The helicopter shot at you?

Yes, I suppose, as in the debriefing I result shot down by an AT-9 Spiral

Edited April 24, 2024 by Kurnass1977

[ChillNG]

16 minutes ago, Kurnass1977 said:

Yes, I suppose, as in thr debriefing I result shot down by an AT.9 Spiral

Ok thanks I'll check it out, not intended behavior!

[Kurnass1977]

Also confirm the FPS drop

[Kurnass1977]

Il 23/4/2024 at 20:56, ChillNG ha scritto:

Ok thanks I'll check it out, not intended behavior!

Great hear from you this, as think thie "issue" frustrated at least 5 or 6 attempt; in my last, when try to improve my 95 score, the bas$£@d downed even my AMRAAM.

But finally I've finished the Campaign today (as already said scored 95 with an average for the Campaign of 99 ) is one of the best I've played, immersive and loved the ATC part at the point that look strange now when I don't need contact approach, departure,etc... Some missions were quite hard, at least for me,but this force me to be more careful and inventive, as at first I was a bit too much in a arcade mindset, but the satisfaction was so high that on a pair of circumstances I litterally screamed of joy!!!

Hope you will publish another Campaign for the Hornet, but in the meantime I've bought the Kerman Campaign for when I can fly the Harrier with confidence ( just started to practice cold start, preflight check,etc...). Mmmmhhh, maybe will buy the Viper when possible to play your Weasel Campaign, look at various Youtube videos and look gloroius. Maybe this summer...

Thanks again for your effort and be proud of your product(s)!!!!

Edited April 24, 2024 by Kurnass1977

[ChillNG]

11 minutes ago, Kurnass1977 said:

Great hear from you this, as think thie "issue" frustrated at least 5 or 6 attempt; in my last, when try to improve my 95 score, the bas$£@d downed even my AMRAAM.

But finally I've finished the Campaign today (as already said scored 95 with an average for the Campaign of 99 ) is one of the best I've played, immersive and loved the ATC part at the point that look strange now when I don't need contact approach, departure,etc... Some missions were quite hard, at least for me,cut this force me to be more careful and inventive, as at first I was a bit too much in a arcade mindset, but the satisfaction was so high that on a pair of circumstances I litterally screamed of joy!!!

Hope you will publish another Campaign for the Hornet, but in the meantime I've bought the Kerman Campaign for when I can fly the Harrier with confidence ( just started to practice cold start, preflight check,etc...). Mmmmhhh, maybe will buy the Viper when possible to play your Weasel Campaign, look at various Youtube videos and look gloroius. Maybe this summer...

Thanks again for your effort and be proud of your product(s)!!!!

Thanks very much, and thanks for picking up Kerman as well.  Hopefully I can share some more Hornet news later this year .