Event 9, 8 impressions

[paura19]

Hi Reflected,
I have another amazing time with F-14

I played with the version and had some "DCS logic" in flight.

Event 9:
-After flyby "Bighorn", the division split into pairs. Where the northern pair of Sniper 1 collided in turn.


Event 8:
- The division moved to the tanker, where it remained in formation throughout, even after my refueling.
I refueled 9.5lb and move to right wing of Hammer. Then pressed Spacebar. Nothing happened.

All Events except Intro:
-As a lead on overhead I didn't get Landing Checklist and Abeam call.
my approach: 300-350ias, wing 20 or 65, Initial 3500ft RWY 21R. Downwind to Speedway.

[Reflected]

Thanks for the report. 

Collisions are AI stupidity, nothing I can do here.

The formation didn't brake off the tanker due to a DCS AI bug, it should have been fixed already, make sure you're running the latest OB. As Bio said, tankers are only there for safety, IRL you had to manage your fuel, they didn't tank on such events.

The landing checklist, you should be getting, right after you lower your gear. I checked again and I'm getting it every time.

Make sure you slow down and lower your gear during the break. If you lower it abeam that may mess things up.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Reflected

[Reflected]

The landing checklist happens 14 seconds after you lower the gear and flaps, provided you'd already contacted tower on channel 4, and the abeam call 14 seconds after that, when you are inside this zone, heading between 1 and 70 degrees:

[paura19]

Event 8: Mission advise me to take Refuel. The division fly to tanker by itself. I have around 5.0lb

Landing: my patter looks like CASE I. Lower gear in break turn. 
UHF 4, VHF 1
I will try extend Upwind

[Jayhawk1971]

vor einer Stunde schrieb paura19:

Event 8: Mission advise me to take Refuel. The division fly to tanker by itself. I have around 5.0lb

Could you please elaborate more? How did the mission advise you to go to the tanker? Maybe post a screenshot or short video of the message advising you to hit the tanker?

I ask because I've played this campaign numerous times since it came out, and this never happened to me. Ever. Especially since 5000lbs are more than enough gas to safely make it back to Nellis.

Now I've not played this mission in OB 2.8 yet, so maybe something has changed? 

Edit: did you by chance fly close-ish to one of the tankers on your egress (probably "Texaco's" track between ELKXXX and MOOSE)? Maybe you have inadvertently triggered the "AAR protocol" = when you get near one of the tankers, you'll get a message that your flight will be waiting for you to refuel and IIRC you need to take some action - either F10-menu option or space bar - to make them reform with you. It's been a while since I did an AAR in Zone 5, so my memory is sketchy. 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Jayhawk1971

[paura19]

Event 11, I extend upwind and still no landing checklist. Even I tried mouse click to gearhandle.
 

@Jayhawk1971

You are right. We over flown Tanker.
Then Text message appears, something like: "rejoin with tanker, after refuel join formation with Hammer then press Spacebar"

 

[Jayhawk1971]

vor 25 Minuten schrieb paura19:

You are right. We over flown Tanker.
Then Text message appears, something like: "rejoin with tanker, after refuel join formation with Hammer then press Spacebar"

Ah, that's some unfortunate timing. If the AI bug still persists and you can't abort that refueling "mode" (haven't checked yet), probably the best solution would be to give the tanker a wide berth. 

[Reflected]

The player needs to get real close to the tanker and be co-alt to trigger the 'follow' command. See, I have no way of telling if you approached the tanker to refuel or just accidentally passed by close. Are you on the latest OB or stable version?

As for the landing, I tested again and it works. I recorded a video for you to see how it should be done as per the kneeboard charts:
 

 

This is the problem with complex missions with complicated triggers - they just don't allow for a lot of leeway. 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Reflected

[paura19]

Latest OB patch 2.8.0.33006

Yeah no checklist  videorecord from M5

 

[Reflected]

Just reflew mission 5 everything works. I don't understand.

Did you change anything in the mission file? What version are you on? Do you have easy comms enabled? Do you have all your radio volumes up?

[Reflected]

Can you do me a favor and fly this mission? It's the same but airstart at the initial. Just switch to Ch4, and fly an overhead pattern. Then let me know if you hear the checklist and the abeam call.

 

ldctest.miz

Edited December 14, 2022 by Reflected

[paura19]

DCS 2.8.0.33006
-EasyCOMMs disable
-No changing in mission
-Volume UP
-Missions date 17.11.2022

Your test mission hasn't change for me = No Checklist

But I tried first INTRO mission and there I had Checklist with Abeam call. 

[Reflected]

OK, thanks. It's very strange, because all you need to trigger it is having the gear and flaps down.

I made another test mission. No need to fly a pattern. All you need to do is lower your gear and flaps, and you'll get 'gear' and 'flaps' messages in the top right corner, and 'gear flaps' when both are down. Let me know if you get these messages or not.

Also, what do you use to lower these? mouse click? Keyboard? Hotas buttons?

Thanks!

 

ldctest2.miz

[Reflected]

After more testing and having a look at the intro mission, I'm pretty sure the 'flaps down' trigger is the one that doesn't fire for you. For some reason you're not moving the lever all the way back. The flaps may lower, but the trigger doesn't fire. Do you have any idea why this may happen? Maybe you're using an axis for the flaps that's modified and prevents full movement?

Edited December 14, 2022 by Reflected

[paura19]

Yes, the FLAPS control is the issue.

So I had command button called "Emergency Flaps".


I change commad to "Regular FLAPS DOWN/UP"  and It works in Your missions.
Great. Thanks

[Reflected]

Just now, paura19 said:

Yes, the FLAPS control is the issue.

So I had command button called "Emergency Flaps".


I change commad to "Regular FLAPS DOWN/UP"  and It works in Your missions.
Great. Thanks

Awesome, I'm glad we figured it out!