D4n Posted December 14, 2022 Posted December 14, 2022 R-60M is all-aspect in DCS, please also add R-60 which is tail-aspect only, for early cold war missions. (DCS MiG-21 already can carry basic R-60) 3 DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
AeriaGloria Posted December 14, 2022 Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) I agree with this…. But with one caveat….. The r-60 you see in game, is made by Magnitude 3 for MiG-21bis. It is not ED missile. In addition, if we look at its specs, it is superior to even M! R-60M has a seeker sensitive of 10 km on Su-27, and a flat rejection factor of 1.0. However, the OLDER R-60, with worse seeker, while it does have only 7500m seeker sensitivity, 75%, it has 0.66 flare rejection. Giving it a 33% advantage when it comes to flares. Its seeker that should be worse, is also listed as cooled, even though R-60 uses uncooked seeker. This means that like the M, it also has limited all aspects ability. In addition, the R-60 has a 6 kg warhead explosive. The R-60M, which should have a slightly bigger warhead, only has 3 kg warhead. I would guess Magnitude 3 made the warhead more powerful so it could reliably take down larger fighters. The R-60 is given a 40 G limit, the R-60M has a 30 G limit (to likely help conserve energy.) this means the older R-60 is even more maneuverable Basically, if ED added the R-60 in game as it is now, compared to R-60M, using the base R-60 from MiG-21bis would actually be an UPGRADE. The upper 25% of sealer detection range is only loss, and with helicopter speeds and launch ranges of this short range missile that is a very negligible loss. And for what it’s worth, Magntitude 3 gave the R-3S the SAME EXACT flare rejection figure…… Magnitude 3s missiles just need overhaul or taking over by ED to be similar and comparable to the rest we have. So we don’t have things where the old R-60 is actually better then the M….both even have a 3m proximity fuse! Source https://github.com/Quaggles/dcs-lua-datamine/blob/master/_G/rockets/R-60.lua Edited December 14, 2022 by AeriaGloria 4 1 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
MoleUK Posted January 26, 2024 Posted January 26, 2024 +1 to this. The missiles are all on ED's modeling now, and the absence of the R60 is a little odd. I know the FC3 Frogfoot recently got the option to start loading it.
zerO_crash Posted February 1, 2024 Posted February 1, 2024 Definitely, ED should have the R-60 (non-M) modrlled with updated algorythms, and implemented for the Mi-24P. There is a solid chance R-60 could be updated along with the making of DCS Mig-29. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
AeriaGloria Posted February 2, 2024 Posted February 2, 2024 I still have never seen a single photo of it. I’m sure it’s technically possible, but toes that line of simulation “is it possible or should we avoid it because it was never done in service? Even the joke photo on 24D phalanga rails is a M Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
zerO_crash Posted February 6, 2024 Posted February 6, 2024 Yeah, I'll have to look for it. It might very well be that R-60M was already in common use when Mi-24 got that ability, in which case it'd be unrealistic. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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